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Post by thesporerex on Dec 26, 2013 17:27:10 GMT
Also the sub adult isn't 10 metres its ~9.6 metres.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Dec 26, 2013 17:56:36 GMT
Sub-adults are more gracile than adults though. Comparing a sub-adult Baryonyx with a fully grown adult Allosaurus isn't fair, considering the point I made in the last sentence. Also adult Baryonyx would of been 11+ metres in length and 4+ tons in weight, which is a lot larger than the 9.8 metre long 2.5+ ton Allosaurus (which is the confirmed max size for Allosaurus).
Also how the hell is the sub-adult Baryonyx 9.6 metres in length if the juvenile Baryonyx was 9.5 metres in length?
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Dec 26, 2013 20:48:50 GMT
where the hell are you getting adult baryonyx being 11+ m and 4+ tons from? yes the known specimen probably wasn't fully grown, but that doesn't mean anything. and as sporerex showed, even the known baryonyx isn't really any larger than allosaurus.
allosaurus has a much deadlier bite and is also faster and more agile. allosaurus would win.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Dec 26, 2013 20:54:52 GMT
where the hell are you getting adult baryonyx being 11+ m and 4+ tons from? yes the known specimen probably wasn't fully grown, but that doesn't mean anything. even if baryonyx was at least a tiny bit larger, allosaurus has a much deadlier bite and is also faster and more agile. allosaurus would win. 11 metres and 4 tons is the most plausible estimate for adult Baryonyx, if the sub-adult specimen of Baryonyx is around 9-10 metres in length and 2-3 tons. What the hell do you mean by, 'that doesn't mean anything'? Adult Baryonyx would of been considerably larger than adult Allosaurus, the sub-adult specimen of Baryonyx was a tiny bit larger. Adult Allosaurus might win against the sub-adult specimen of Baryonyx, but adult Baryonyx would win against Allosaurus. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Dec 26, 2013 20:56:07 GMT
where the hell are you getting adult baryonyx being 11+ m and 4+ tons from? yes the known specimen probably wasn't fully grown, but that doesn't mean anything. and as sporerex showed, even the known baryonyx isn't really any larger than allosaurus. allosaurus has a much deadlier bite and is also faster and more agile. allosaurus would win. Also this is not a fucking race, speed isn't an advantage at all. |
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Post by thesporerex on Dec 26, 2013 21:58:00 GMT
Sub-adults are more gracile than adults though. Comparing a sub-adult Baryonyx with a fully grown adult Allosaurus isn't fair, considering the point I made in the last sentence. Also adult Baryonyx would of been 11+ metres in length and 4+ tons in weight, which is a lot larger than the 9.8 metre long 2.5+ ton Allosaurus (which is the confirmed max size for Allosaurus). Also how the hell is the sub-adult Baryonyx 9.6 metres in length if the juvenile Baryonyx was 9.5 metres in length? This is the "9.5" metre juvenile as its a sub adult. Its a sub adult not a juvenile. Not only that it depends how old the baryonyx is compared to its adult size, it could be entirely possible that the baryonyx would only grow by 0.2 metres(20cm) longer. It entirely depends on the growth of the spinosaurid. We can safely say that at current specimen sizes Allosaurus wins but it entirely depends on how far it is away from adult hood and the growth rate. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Dec 26, 2013 22:46:53 GMT
Sub-adults are more gracile than adults though. Comparing a sub-adult Baryonyx with a fully grown adult Allosaurus isn't fair, considering the point I made in the last sentence. Also adult Baryonyx would of been 11+ metres in length and 4+ tons in weight, which is a lot larger than the 9.8 metre long 2.5+ ton Allosaurus (which is the confirmed max size for Allosaurus). Also how the hell is the sub-adult Baryonyx 9.6 metres in length if the juvenile Baryonyx was 9.5 metres in length? This is the "9.5" metre juvenile as its a sub adult. Its a sub adult not a juvenile. Not only that it depends how old the baryonyx is compared to its adult size, it could be entirely possible that the baryonyx would only grow by 0.2 metres(20cm) longer. It entirely depends on the growth of the spinosaurid. We can safely say that at current specimen sizes Allosaurus wins but it entirely depends on how far it is away from adult hood and the growth rate. RaptorX said that the 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was a large juvenile. When did it become a sub-adult? Please give me the link to this. Also the fight would be very close if we are using the current specimens of both these dinosaurs. Considering that adult Baryonyx would of been larger than the current specimen found I'm not sure about the outcome of a fight between adult specimens of these two theropods. If adult Baryonyx does turn out to be within the 10-11 metre long 3-4.5 ton range then Baryonyx would win. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Dec 31, 2013 14:15:46 GMT
Actually we really have no idea how far away from adulthood the 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was. biostor.org/cache/pdf/b1/0a/84/b10a84017a1e1fae1b74a743432f7b97.pdfThis source states that the 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was a juvenile, not a sub adult. Adult Baryonyx could of been anywhere in between the 9.5-12 metre 3-5+ ton range as far as we know. |
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Post by Theropod on Dec 31, 2013 14:45:18 GMT
Actually we really have no idea how far away from adulthood the 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was. biostor.org/cache/pdf/b1/0a/84/b10a84017a1e1fae1b74a743432f7b97.pdfThis source states that the 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was a juvenile, not a sub adult. Adult Baryonyx could of been anywhere in between the 9.5-12 metre 3-5+ ton range as far as we know. But then you are just assuming, you can't really assume its size because "I don't know its adult size". |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Dec 31, 2013 18:35:37 GMT
Actually we really have no idea how far away from adulthood the 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was. biostor.org/cache/pdf/b1/0a/84/b10a84017a1e1fae1b74a743432f7b97.pdfThis source states that the 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was a juvenile, not a sub adult. Adult Baryonyx could of been anywhere in between the 9.5-12 metre 3-5+ ton range as far as we know. But then you are just assuming, you can't really assume its size because "I don't know its adult size". I was saying that the average adult size would of been anywhere in between 9.5-12 metres, depending on the growth rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2014 19:42:45 GMT
hmmm its hard to say...id go with baryonyx but if epanterias was put in the mix then it would be 50/50
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Post by Theropod on Jan 3, 2014 0:38:10 GMT
 Allosaurus fragilis (DINO 2560) and Baryonyx walkeri (BMNH R9951) Actually now that I think of it, Allosaurus may have had a chance. The 11 metre Baryonyx is just a speculation not a fact. There is not enough information at the moment of any spinosaurid's growth rate. The ~9 metre Baryonyx specimen could be pretty close to adult size. As of now we really can't get any reliable estimates for its size. We don't know how close to adulthood the specimen was so we can't just go and say Baryonyx was 11 metres, because that would be just some speculation, which is completely pointless and foolish in a debate like this, where you try to be as accurate as possible. We can't really say much more about this one. The 9 metre Baryonyx specimen also does not show signs of extremely young age so I believe it is actually a sub-adult, so I really doubt Baryonyx would even reach 11 metres. Actually I believe that was a possible length but still very rare, but I would really just say stop fabricating estimates for its size. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 3, 2014 9:32:49 GMT
Allosaurus fragilis (UUVP 6000) and Baryonyx walkeri (BMNH R9951) Actually now that I think of it, Allosaurus may have had a chance. The 11 metre Baryonyx is just a speculation not a fact. There is not enough information at the moment of any spinosaurid's growth rate. The ~9 metre Baryonyx specimen could be pretty close to adult size. As of now we really can't get any reliable estimates for its size. We don't know how close to adulthood the specimen was so we can't just go and say Baryonyx was 11 metres, because that would be just some speculation, which is completely pointless and foolish in a debate like this, where you try to be as accurate as possible. We can't really say much more about this one. The 9 metre Baryonyx specimen also does not show signs of extremely young age so I believe it is actually a sub-adult, so I really doubt Baryonyx would even reach 11 metres. Actually I believe that was a possible length but still very rare, but I would really just say stop fabricating estimates for its size. Correction: The immature specimen is around 9.5+ metres in length. I have also heard no evidence of it being a sub-adult, all we know is that it is in an immature state. 11 metres is entirely possible, you are using the incorrect sizes for the immature Baryonyx specimen. Other theropods such as Tyrannosaurus and Allosaurus have specimens incredibly varied in size, so you are being too conservative by instantly assuming that 11 metres is 'very rare'. |
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 3, 2014 11:21:41 GMT
If anything 11 metre baryonyx is really freaking liberal, its adult size is all speculation not fact. Also I edited your post theropod to DINO 2560 because thats the correct allosaurus specimen.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 3, 2014 11:48:18 GMT
Allosaurus fragilis (UUVP 6000) and Baryonyx walkeri (BMNH R9951) Actually now that I think of it, Allosaurus may have had a chance. The 11 metre Baryonyx is just a speculation not a fact. There is not enough information at the moment of any spinosaurid's growth rate. The ~9 metre Baryonyx specimen could be pretty close to adult size. As of now we really can't get any reliable estimates for its size. We don't know how close to adulthood the specimen was so we can't just go and say Baryonyx was 11 metres, because that would be just some speculation, which is completely pointless and foolish in a debate like this, where you try to be as accurate as possible. We can't really say much more about this one. The 9 metre Baryonyx specimen also does not show signs of extremely young age so I believe it is actually a sub-adult, so I really doubt Baryonyx would even reach 11 metres. Actually I believe that was a possible length but still very rare, but I would really just say stop fabricating estimates for its size. Correction: The immature specimen is around 9.5+ metres in length. I have also heard no evidence of it being a sub-adult, all we know is that it is in an immature state. 11 metres is entirely possible, you are using the incorrect sizes for the immature Baryonyx specimen. Other theropods such as Tyrannosaurus and Allosaurus have specimens incredibly varied in size, so you are being too conservative by instantly assuming that 11 metres is 'very rare'. (Unnecessary correction, when I said 9 metres it was basically meant to be around 9 metres) I don't strongly support 11 metres that much now, the specimen does not show signs of extremely young age. It was rather a sub-adult than a juvenile, much closer to adulthood. Other theropods such as Tyrannosaurus and Allosaurus have specimens incredibly varied in size, so you are being too conservative by instantly assuming that 11 metres is 'very rare'. But then why do you use FMNH PR 2081's size estimates by Hartman to determine the size of T. rex? Because you are basing it on the largest specimen known. I would advise stop fabricating estimates for Baryonyx mindlessly, you don't even have a base for them since there is no information on any spinosaurid's growth rate at the moment. |
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