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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 2, 2014 21:48:39 GMT
Jan 2, 2014 21:36:53 GMT thesporerex said: 3 Allosaurus vs Tyrannosaurus Allosaurus: 9 metres in length and 2-2.5 tons  Tyrannosaurus: 12.3 metres in length and 7-8 tons  |
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Post by Rexog on Jan 2, 2014 22:01:22 GMT
3 jaws and claws vs a big jaw with muscles, well, T. rex could handle with just one A . fragilis due at once to the not too developed brain (correct me if I am wrong). So, 1 Allosaurus distract Tyrannosaurus, and the other two attack weak points, or not so weak points, just to knocks him to the ground and finish it.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 2, 2014 23:23:14 GMT
Brain doesn't matter, they aren't humans.They can't think so it doesn't matter. Also 3 Allosauruses together weigh ~6 tons so T. rex is more likely to win. The Allosauruses still stand a good chance though, but T. rex will mostly win.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 2, 2014 23:28:20 GMT
Brain doesn't matter, they aren't humans.They can't think so it doesn't matter. Also 3 Allosauruses together weigh ~6 tons so T. rex is more likely to win. The Allosauruses still stand a good chance though, but T. rex will mostly win. Probably. However if we are using the freak specimen of Allosaurus (Epanterias) then Allosaurus would win. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 2, 2014 23:29:53 GMT
Brain doesn't matter, they aren't humans.They can't think so it doesn't matter. Also 3 Allosauruses together weigh ~6 tons so T. rex is more likely to win. The Allosauruses still stand a good chance though, but T. rex will mostly win. Probably. However if we are using the freak specimen of Allosaurus (Epanterias) then Allosaurus would win. The thread didn't mention it though so we are using the most commonly used species, Allosaurus fragilis. |
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 3, 2014 11:33:04 GMT
Tyrannosaurus can handle for the same reasons I said on spinosaurus vs allosaurus pack thread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 3:22:11 GMT
Yeah this isn't an argument of how many it's an argument of mass and I'm sorry but trex wil probably win this
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jun 4, 2014 2:12:37 GMT
Brain doesn't matter, they aren't humans.They can't think so it doesn't matter. Also 3 Allosauruses together weigh ~6 tons so T. rex is more likely to win. The Allosauruses still stand a good chance though, but T. rex will mostly win. I hate to go against Theropod here, but brain does matter. Experts believe Tyrannosaurs and Troodon were about as smart as opossums are (hope i spelled that correct). Can opossums think? OF COURSE THEY CAN. Most of its instinct, but they still can THINK. Now, they cant solve mathematical problems or anything, but im sure they can THINK. Really, a Tyrannosaurus might be able to hold off one or two Allosaurus, but 3? I doubt it, its just simply to much. Arent you the guys that usually say size dosnt matter? Sorry to come off mean, but I cant imagine a Tyrannosaurus holding off 3 Allosaurus, which are all about 2 thirds of its size in weight, and roughly 3 fourths in length and height. Its just too much for a Tyrannosaurus. |
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Post by Theropod on Jun 4, 2014 17:14:44 GMT
When we're using incredibly intelligent animals, such as apes, yes, it actually does. That's because they can use weapons like rocks if necessary. Experts believe Tyrannosaurs and Troodon were about as smart as opossums are Source? Really, a Tyrannosaurus might be able to hold off one or two Allosaurus, but 3? I wouldn't doubt it, as they are a lot smaller, i.e., not as strong, seeing as one bite from the tyrannosaurid can be enough to put one down. This is why I think larger predators > packs of smaller predators. I doubt it, its just simply to much A 7 ton tyrannosaurid is actually a lot for 2-ton predators from my point of view. I cant imagine a Tyrannosaurus holding off 3 Allosaurus It doesn't seem impossible; there is a huge size and strength disparity between the two species, a 7-ton animal can easily cripple a 2-ton one. |
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jun 4, 2014 18:17:57 GMT
When we're using incredibly intelligent animals, such as apes, yes, it actually does. That's because they can use weapons like rocks if necessary. Experts believe Tyrannosaurs and Troodon were about as smart as opossums are Source? Really, a Tyrannosaurus might be able to hold off one or two Allosaurus, but 3? I wouldn't doubt it, as they are a lot smaller, i.e., not as strong, seeing as one bite from the tyrannosaurid can be enough to put one down. This is why I think larger predators > packs of smaller predators. I doubt it, its just simply to much A 7 ton tyrannosaurid is actually a lot for 2-ton predators from my point of view. I cant imagine a Tyrannosaurus holding off 3 Allosaurus It doesn't seem impossible; there is a huge size and strength disparity between the two species, a 7-ton animal can easily cripple a 2-ton one. I can understand some of your points, and i couldnt find my source, unfortunalty (I read it somewhere I swear). Anywho, this fight would be like 3 crocs against a shark. The shark might kill the first croc, but then what? Crocs are about 3 fourths the size of a great white. Also, if one bite is enough to put one down, that just gives time for the other two Allosaurs to come around and rip at its back, neck, and head. No it isnt impossible, but the odds are more in Allosaurs favor. Also, if a Tyrannosaurus can hold off a Spinosaurus (which weighs about 2 tons AT THE VERY LEAST more than Tyrannosaurus), then how come a group of Allosaurs with a combined total of 6 tons cant hold off a 7 ton beast? Allosaurs are also more agile, and faster (I know its not a race, but so what?). More maneuverablity=faster attacks and possibly a quick getaway. Why can a Deinonychus pack hold off a Utahraptor? Speed and numbers. A Tyrannosaurus would be confused and distracted if he had a bunch of Allosaurus running around him. Also one last thing, the estimate that ive been seeing for Allosaurus in terms of weight is 2.5 tons, which makes a surprising difference. Combined, this makes these animals a total of 7.5 tons, more than your Tyrannosaurus. Now, i have also seen different estimates for Tyrannosaurus too, and it might not even matter. All in all, I dont know why im so serious about Allosaurus all of a sudden, I hate that animal. But, i believe the 3 Allosaurus would win (intelligence aside) so im defending it. |
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jun 5, 2014 0:43:05 GMT
When we're using incredibly intelligent animals, such as apes, yes, it actually does. That's because they can use weapons like rocks if necessary.Source?I wouldn't doubt it, as they are a lot smaller, i.e., not as strong, seeing as one bite from the tyrannosaurid can be enough to put one down. This is why I think larger predators > packs of smaller predators.A 7 ton tyrannosaurid is actually a lot for 2-ton predators from my point of view.It doesn't seem impossible; there is a huge size and strength disparity between the two species, a 7-ton animal can easily cripple a 2-ton one. I can understand some of your points, and i couldnt find my source, unfortunalty (I read it somewhere I swear). Anywho, this fight would be like 3 crocs against a shark. The shark might kill the first croc, but then what? Crocs are about 3 fourths the size of a great white. Also, if one bite is enough to put one down, that just gives time for the other two Allosaurs to come around and rip at its back, neck, and head. No it isnt impossible, but the odds are more in Allosaurs favor. Also, if a Tyrannosaurus can hold off a Spinosaurus (which weighs about 2 tons AT THE VERY LEAST more than Tyrannosaurus), then how come a group of Allosaurs with a combined total of 6 tons cant hold off a 7 ton beast? Allosaurs are also more agile, and faster (I know its not a race, but so what?). More maneuverablity=faster attacks and possibly a quick getaway. Why can a Deinonychus pack hold off a Utahraptor? Speed and numbers. A Tyrannosaurus would be confused and distracted if he had a bunch of Allosaurus running around him. Also one last thing, the estimate that ive been seeing for Allosaurus in terms of weight is 2.5 tons, which makes a surprising difference. Combined, this makes these animals a total of 7.5 tons, more than your Tyrannosaurus. Now, i have also seen different estimates for Tyrannosaurus too, and it might not even matter. All in all, I dont know why im so serious about Allosaurus all of a sudden, I hate that animal. But, i believe the 3 Allosaurus would win (intelligence aside) so im defending it. many things wrong here. the proportions of sharks and crocodiles is no where near as analogous with this situation. ( assuming your talking about a great white and salt water crocodiles) a shark is not over three times larger then a crocodile where as it its in this situation. the bite force of tyrannosaurus alone weighs about the same of all allosaurs combined, it would be able to kill one, ( although might get some inflicted wounds) kill the other and the final one shouldn't be hard to handle. and please tell me you didn't say a tyrannosaurus can handle a spinosaurus and a deinonychus could handle a utahraptor? none of those animals even lived in the same time period! and spinosaurus average weights nearly doubles the of tyrannosaurus average and could of been a good 4 tons larger against a max sized tyrannosaur, and recently described material on utahraptor shows it was extreamly robust for a dromaeosaur. speed and maneuverability are two different things. obviously the allosaurs are more agile due to their size, but at two- 3 tons each somewhat hinders retreats from attacks, in which it would be clear to say that tyrannosaurus would snap one up. heck, it can even trample the carnosaurs |
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jun 5, 2014 2:40:36 GMT
I can understand some of your points, and i couldnt find my source, unfortunalty (I read it somewhere I swear). Anywho, this fight would be like 3 crocs against a shark. The shark might kill the first croc, but then what? Crocs are about 3 fourths the size of a great white. Also, if one bite is enough to put one down, that just gives time for the other two Allosaurs to come around and rip at its back, neck, and head. No it isnt impossible, but the odds are more in Allosaurs favor. Also, if a Tyrannosaurus can hold off a Spinosaurus (which weighs about 2 tons AT THE VERY LEAST more than Tyrannosaurus), then how come a group of Allosaurs with a combined total of 6 tons cant hold off a 7 ton beast? Allosaurs are also more agile, and faster (I know its not a race, but so what?). More maneuverablity=faster attacks and possibly a quick getaway. Why can a Deinonychus pack hold off a Utahraptor? Speed and numbers. A Tyrannosaurus would be confused and distracted if he had a bunch of Allosaurus running around him. Also one last thing, the estimate that ive been seeing for Allosaurus in terms of weight is 2.5 tons, which makes a surprising difference. Combined, this makes these animals a total of 7.5 tons, more than your Tyrannosaurus. Now, i have also seen different estimates for Tyrannosaurus too, and it might not even matter. All in all, I dont know why im so serious about Allosaurus all of a sudden, I hate that animal. But, i believe the 3 Allosaurus would win (intelligence aside) so im defending it. many things wrong here. the proportions of sharks and crocodiles is no where near as analogous with this situation. ( assuming your talking about a great white and salt water crocodiles) a shark is not over three times larger then a crocodile where as it its in this situation. the bite force of tyrannosaurus alone weighs about the same of all allosaurs combined, it would be able to kill one, ( although might get some inflicted wounds) kill the other and the final one shouldn't be hard to handle. and please tell me you didn't say a tyrannosaurus can handle a spinosaurus and a deinonychus could handle a utahraptor? none of those animals even lived in the same time period! and spinosaurus average weights nearly doubles the of tyrannosaurus average and could of been a good 4 tons larger against a max sized tyrannosaur, and recently described material on utahraptor shows it was extreamly robust for a dromaeosaur. speed and maneuverability are two different things. obviously the allosaurs are more agile due to their size, but at two- 3 tons each somewhat hinders retreats from attacks, in which it would be clear to say that tyrannosaurus would snap one up. heck, it can even trample the carnosaurs Yes i said that. Deinonychus lived in the same place and time period as Utahraptor (120 MYA in western North America)......... And since when does Allosaurus live with a Tyrannosaurus? I never said Spinosaurus and Tyrannosaurus lived together, i just said Tyrannosaurus would win. Croc size: 20 feet. Great white: 25 feet. Weight isnt the only thing that matters. Allosaurus fragilis is UP TO 32 feet long, 2.5 tons. Tyrannosaurus rex is UP TO 40 feet long, 7 tons. Speed and maneuverability are two different things, but they work together, a fast animal is usually pretty agile and an agile animal is usually pretty fast. And it might not be very fast, but its still fucking faster than a Tyrannosaurus. So no, a Tyrannosaurus could not snap up an Allosaurus as its running, and certainly not trample it. The proportions is pretty similar isnt it? 20 to 25 feet, vs 32 to 40 feet? Thats not the same but thats close enough. Heres another analogy i guess. 3, 18 foot anocondas vs a croc. Thats better in terms of size. And, the anocondas would win. So there, just disproved most of what you said for you. Wait im not finished. They might be different in length and weight, but in height they are pretty close. I do believe the Tyrannosaurus would LOSE this fight, and thats my opinion. Now im finished. Still kinda wierd that im rooting for Allosaurus, even though i absolutely love Tyrannosaurus. |
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jun 5, 2014 2:42:03 GMT
many things wrong here. the proportions of sharks and crocodiles is no where near as analogous with this situation. ( assuming your talking about a great white and salt water crocodiles) a shark is not over three times larger then a crocodile where as it its in this situation. the bite force of tyrannosaurus alone weighs about the same of all allosaurs combined, it would be able to kill one, ( although might get some inflicted wounds) kill the other and the final one shouldn't be hard to handle. and please tell me you didn't say a tyrannosaurus can handle a spinosaurus and a deinonychus could handle a utahraptor? none of those animals even lived in the same time period! and spinosaurus average weights nearly doubles the of tyrannosaurus average and could of been a good 4 tons larger against a max sized tyrannosaur, and recently described material on utahraptor shows it was extreamly robust for a dromaeosaur. speed and maneuverability are two different things. obviously the allosaurs are more agile due to their size, but at two- 3 tons each somewhat hinders retreats from attacks, in which it would be clear to say that tyrannosaurus would snap one up. heck, it can even trample the carnosaurs Yes i said that. Deinonychus lived in the same place and time period as Utahraptor (120 MYA in western North America)......... And since when does Allosaurus live with a Tyrannosaurus? I never said Spinosaurus and Tyrannosaurus lived together, i just said Tyrannosaurus would win. Croc size: 20 feet. Great white: 25 feet. Weight isnt the only thing that matters. Allosaurus fragilis is UP TO 32 feet long, 2.5 tons. Tyrannosaurus rex is UP TO 40 feet long, 7 tons. Speed and maneuverability are two different things, but they work together, a fast animal is usually pretty agile and an agile animal is usually pretty fast. And it might not be very fast, but its still fucking faster than a Tyrannosaurus. So no, a Tyrannosaurus could not snap up an Allosaurus as its running, and certainly not trample it. The proportions is pretty similar isnt it? 20 to 25 feet, vs 32 to 40 feet? Thats not the same but thats close enough. Heres another analogy i guess. 3, 18 foot anocondas vs a croc. Thats better in terms of size. And, the anocondas would win. So there, just disproved most of what you said for you. Wait im not finished. They might be different in length and weight, but in height they are pretty close. I do believe the Tyrannosaurus would LOSE this fight, and thats my opinion. Now im finished. Still kinda wierd that im rooting for Allosaurus, even though i absolutely love Tyrannosaurus. I think rexog has the right idea. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jun 5, 2014 14:51:57 GMT
I personally don't see how a trio of ~2 ton predators could kill one ~7-8 ton predator. It would be too risky for the Allosaurids, as losing even one member could prove fatal to the other members of the group. They could potentially outflank the Tyrannosaurus, but this could prove to be very difficult, especially when the opponent is much larger. Intelligence is also not really a factor for irrational predators such as these. It's not like they're going to use their fighting tactics for killing sauropods to try and kill another theropod.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jun 5, 2014 18:46:48 GMT
Yes i said that. Deinonychus lived in the same place and time period as Utahraptor (120 MYA in western North America)......... And since when does Allosaurus live with a Tyrannosaurus? I never said Spinosaurus and Tyrannosaurus lived together, i just said Tyrannosaurus would win. Croc size: 20 feet. Great white: 25 feet. Weight isnt the only thing that matters. Allosaurus fragilis is UP TO 32 feet long, 2.5 tons. Tyrannosaurus rex is UP TO 40 feet long, 7 tons. Speed and maneuverability are two different things, but they work together, a fast animal is usually pretty agile and an agile animal is usually pretty fast. And it might not be very fast, but its still fucking faster than a Tyrannosaurus. So no, a Tyrannosaurus could not snap up an Allosaurus as its running, and certainly not trample it. The proportions is pretty similar isnt it? 20 to 25 feet, vs 32 to 40 feet? Thats not the same but thats close enough. Heres another analogy i guess. 3, 18 foot anocondas vs a croc. Thats better in terms of size. And, the anocondas would win. So there, just disproved most of what you said for you. Wait im not finished. They might be different in length and weight, but in height they are pretty close. I do believe the Tyrannosaurus would LOSE this fight, and thats my opinion. Now im finished. Still kinda wierd that im rooting for Allosaurus, even though i absolutely love Tyrannosaurus. I think rexog has the right idea. i never referred to allosaurus living with tyrannosaurus. and your the one who said a tyrannosaurus can handle a spinosaurus even though its impossible to know for sure other then anatomical comparisons and adaptions. other then that, what on earth made you say a tyrannosaurus could handle a spinosaurus? weight is a major contributor when it comes to fighting multiple opponents, and in this case, tyrannosaurus outweighs them all. we also don't have any strong evidence of allosaurs pack hunting. such evidence could also be viewed as gregarious behavior and would most likely not be as coordinate or planned out like a mammalian pack. your reasoning about tyrannosaurus not being able to snap up the carnosaur is questionable. the allosaurs are not running in straight lines. they are coming in at close quarters areas that can allow a tyrannosaurus to attack. the allosaurs are maneuvering and theirs no doubt their more agile, but think about it. their going to attack it at some point. which is why the tyrannosaurs would have the capability to kill one, kill the other if they still didn't distinguish the attack, and the remaining one would most likely flee. and trampling is actually a common spectical veiwed by many heavy weight bonvids, ungulates, etc utilize trampling over smaller adversaries, which can be applicable to tyrannosaurus how out weigh these creature 4 fold. your analogy is again, very problematic. anacondas never encountered crocodiles and absolutely none at 20 ft in length. just smaller species of speckled caiman. you seem to be relying on length as the only dimension . the largest salt water crocodiles can weigh up to 1000 kg. over 4 times that of the largest anaconda. height are not contributing factors for fighting for either creatures, a 25 foot anaconda is no where near the weight of a 25 ft allosaurus, smaller creatures capabilities are not compatible to that of ones at much larger scale, and their adaptions for semiaquatic life are no where near compatible to a fully terrestrial tyrannosaurus and allosaurus. there i have, yet again, corrected what you had said. i'm finished |
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