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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Nov 9, 2013 8:02:05 GMT
Also, I don't see how Spinosaurine were larger on average, because the majority of the largest Spinosaurs were Baryonichines (Spinosaurus, Baryonyx and Suchomimus). This means that Baryonichines were probably proportionally more robust. I didn't use any of those three other theropods as basis for Spinosaurus. I used the a type 3 lever mathematical equation to determine the bite force. This was based on things such as Spino's skull size, the distance that the rear of the skull was to the tooth I was studying, the distance between the pivot and the jaw muscles, the mass of the jaw muscles, and so on, not related theropods at all. I then used the same method on other theropods, looked at my results for all 4, and compared the results to the numbers published by other scientists to see if the method worked, and it did. Moreover this is a very common method of determining a rough estimate of an extinct animal's bite forces. There was a guy at SVP who used the exact same method to determine the jaw strength of ornithischians and examine what they were eating. :/ Spinosaurus was a spinosaurine (that's where the subfamily's name comes from), and it's the biggest spinosaurid known. Oxalaia is also a spinosaurine, and it comes at a close second according to current estimates. The only small spinosaurine is Irritator, but you have to remember that it's a juvenile individual. Suchomimus is the largest baryonychinae and the next largest spinosaurid after Oxalaia, followed then by Baryonyx which is known from a juvenile specimens. After that, the rest of the spinosauridae is tiny, being at around Irritator size or smaller. If you were to then count up the number of big species (30+ft) per subfamily, it would be 2/3 for spinosaurine and 2/5 for baryonychinae. So yes, the former seems to be larger on average, abet slightly. I originally thought you said that Spinosaurus was a Baryonichine on YouTube, but I guess I miss read it.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Nov 9, 2013 8:08:19 GMT
Also, I don't see how Spinosaurine were larger on average, because the majority of the largest Spinosaurs were Baryonichines (Spinosaurus, Baryonyx and Suchomimus). This means that Baryonichines were probably proportionally more robust. I didn't use any of those three other theropods as basis for Spinosaurus. I used the a type 3 lever mathematical equation to determine the bite force. This was based on things such as Spino's skull size, the distance that the rear of the skull was to the tooth I was studying, the distance between the pivot and the jaw muscles, the mass of the jaw muscles, and so on, not related theropods at all. I then used the same method on other theropods, looked at my results for all 4, and compared the results to the numbers published by other scientists to see if the method worked, and it did. Moreover this is a very common method of determining a rough estimate of an extinct animal's bite forces. There was a guy at SVP who used the exact same method to determine the jaw strength of ornithischians and examine what they were eating. :/ Spinosaurus was a spinosaurine (that's where the subfamily's name comes from), and it's the biggest spinosaurid known. Oxalaia is also a spinosaurine, and it comes at a close second according to current estimates. The only small spinosaurine is Irritator, but you have to remember that it's a juvenile individual. Suchomimus is the largest baryonychinae and the next largest spinosaurid after Oxalaia, followed then by Baryonyx which is known from a juvenile specimens. After that, the rest of the spinosauridae is tiny, being at around Irritator size or smaller. If you were to then count up the number of big species (30+ft) per subfamily, it would be 2/3 for spinosaurine and 2/5 for baryonychinae. So yes, the former seems to be larger on average, abet slightly. Dam, you're WAY too smart for me sometimes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2013 5:39:05 GMT
spino wins it's much heavier
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Nov 13, 2013 17:04:47 GMT
Spinosaurus would win this with ease, let's stop talking about hypothetical scenarios where both dinosaurs are at parity.
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Post by thesporerex on Nov 13, 2013 17:44:45 GMT
Spinosaurus would win this with ease, let's stop talking about hypothetical scenarios where both dinosaurs are at parity. We are not talking about parity, also spinosaurus wouldn't with very easily. But takes this comfortably.
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Post by Theropod on Nov 13, 2013 19:38:34 GMT
Spinosaurus would win this with ease, let's stop talking about hypothetical scenarios where both dinosaurs are at parity. Parity is a good comparison method in some terms.
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Post by Spinosaurus on Apr 13, 2014 15:53:08 GMT
Spinosaurus would easily win. It would snap the Carcharodontosaurus's neck like a twig with its long claws. Spinosaurus is much bigger, stronger, smarter and was more muscalar. Carcharodontosaurus is Tiny compared to Spinosaurus. And Spinosaurus is king of the dinosaurs!
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Post by DJ Spinosaurus on Apr 13, 2014 18:59:46 GMT
Spinosaurus would easily win. It would snap the Carcharodontosaurus's neck like a twig with its long claws. Spinosaurus is much bigger, stronger, smarter and was more muscalar. Carcharodontosaurus is Tiny compared to Spinosaurus. And Spinosaurus is king of the dinosaurs! Carcharo is not tiny compared to Spino and Spino is not the king of the dinosaurs either
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Post by Spinosaurus on Apr 14, 2014 10:04:19 GMT
Epanterias wrote. Carcharodontosaurus is not tiny compared to Spinosaurus. Spinosaurus is not king of the dinosaurs either. Spinosaurus was the biggest meat eating dinosaur to ever walk the earth and Spinosaurus is the king and spinosaurus is 3 times bigger than carcharodontosaurus. Spinosaurus rex is spinos real name because its king.
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Post by DJ Spinosaurus on Apr 14, 2014 11:18:02 GMT
Spinosaurus is 3 times the size off carcharo?! Where the hell did you get that from also Amphicoelias is the king of the dinosaurs
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Post by Spinosaurus on Apr 14, 2014 22:41:33 GMT
Spinosaurus is the king of the dinosaurs. Spinosaurus was the biggest meat eating dinosaur to ever walk the earth. It was also the strongest predator. Spinosaurus's name means ''spined lizard'' but its real one is ''spined lizard king''. Amphiceolis was very weak and it was smaller than an iguanadon. But the iguanadon would fight back no matter. Spinosaurus is king and amphiceolis is defianetely is not. Amphiceolis was weaker than an iguanadon. Spinosaurus is stronger than t rex, giganotosaurus, carcharodontosaurus and espescially amphiceolis
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Post by Spinosaurus on Apr 14, 2014 22:52:59 GMT
Spinosaurus was the biggest meat eating dinosaur to ever walk the earth. Spinosaurus was also the strongest predator. Spinosaurus is the king of the dinosaurs. Amphicoelias is weaker than an iguanadon. Spinosaurus is stronger than t rex, giganotosaurus, carcharodontosaurus and espicially amphicoelias. Amphicoelias is a herbivore so its defianetly not the king. Amphicoelias was very weak.
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Post by DJ Spinosaurus on Apr 15, 2014 9:19:59 GMT
Amphicoelias was MASSIVE far bigger then even a whale I guess you don't even know what an Amphicoelias is
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Post by Spinosaurus on Apr 15, 2014 14:27:30 GMT
Epanterias said Amphicoelias is MASSIVE far bigger than a whale i bet you dont know what an amphicoelias is.
I do know what an amphicoelias is! I am not stupid. Amphicoelias is a long necked plant eating dinosaur. I know all the dinosaurs. There is no creature on this planet that is bigger than a whale. Spinosaurus is the king.
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Post by DJ Spinosaurus on Apr 15, 2014 16:04:57 GMT
Amphicoelias compared to a African Elephant and a Blue Whale
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