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Post by Theropod on Jan 18, 2014 19:17:54 GMT
How so? Their skull structures are overall totally different. Even Spinosaurus' surangular and angular were far more impressive than those of Baryonyx, in fact the whole skull structure of Spinosaurus is more impressive. Baryonichines actually had slightly stronger bite forces than Spinosaurines at parity. But in turn, Spinosaurines are slightly bulkier at parity. RaptorX has stated this before (the above part) Having a larger skull doesn't necessarily mean a stronger bite. Allosaurus and Giganotosaurus are examples of this. I want sources. I am not convinced by a Baryonychine with a thin dentary, angular and surangular having a stronger biteforce than a Spinosaurine with a much more robust skull overall. With more robustly built angular and surangular, there is a larger muscle placement area. More robustly built skulls do matter, mainly when the dentary, angular and surangular are massive. In this case, I have shown Scott Hartman's skeletals as a source for Spinosaurus showing evidence of having a stronger biteforce. Moreover, Spinosaurus shows much larger teeth and a more robust build, unlike Baryonyx, which has very small teeth and a more gracile build. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 18, 2014 19:21:09 GMT
"I'd say that spinosaurinae have a weak bite force for their size, but according to Emily Rayfield's research baryonychinae have bite forces comparable to other theropods in their size range." RaptorX said this has much thinner jaws than virtually any theropod, thus having less muscle placing areas. It is simply logical. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 18, 2014 19:22:34 GMT
It possibly did, although not by much. Here are two skeletals, compare them: Giganotosaurus' angular and surangular were more impressive than those of Allosaurus.That doesn't really show if it produced a stronger bite, Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus and Carcharodontosaurus have much more impressive skulls than T. rex but T. rex has a much stronger bite. *sigh* Angular and surangular... |
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 18, 2014 19:25:37 GMT
That doesn't really show if it produced a stronger bite, Giganotosaurus, Mapusaurus and Carcharodontosaurus have much more impressive skulls than T. rex but T. rex has a much stronger bite. *sigh* Angular and surangular... *sigh* its still apart of the skull |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 18, 2014 19:37:00 GMT
*sigh* Angular and surangular... *sigh* its still apart of the skull Exactly, both parts of the skull where the muscles are attached. |
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 18, 2014 19:43:12 GMT
Still, those 3 carnosaurs still have much larger Angular and surangular which make it much more impressive
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 18, 2014 19:53:59 GMT
Baryonichines actually had slightly stronger bite forces than Spinosaurines at parity. But in turn, Spinosaurines are slightly bulkier at parity. RaptorX has stated this before (the above part) Having a larger skull doesn't necessarily mean a stronger bite. Allosaurus and Giganotosaurus are examples of this. I want sources. I am not convinced by a Baryonychine with a thin dentary, angular and surangular having a stronger biteforce than a Spinosaurine with a much more robust skull overall. With more robustly built angular and surangular, there is a larger muscle placement area. More robustly built skulls do matter, mainly when the dentary, angular and surangular are massive. In this case, I have shown Scott Hartman's skeletals as a source for Spinosaurus showing evidence of having a stronger biteforce. Moreover, Spinosaurus shows much larger teeth and a more robust build, unlike Baryonyx, which has very small teeth and a more gracile build. Spinosaurus and Baryonyx have similar skulls actually, with Spinosaurus' likely being slightly more robust due to it being proportionally larger overall. But according to Emily Rayfield's research Baryonyx would likely have a stronger bite force at parity. Scott Hartman's skeletals aren't always 100% accurate since the skulls of both Baryonyx and Spinosaurus are very fragmentary. And we are not talking about build so that doesn't necessarily matter right now. |
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 18, 2014 19:56:10 GMT
I have seen baryonyx reconstructions in real life and the skulls are pretty gracile.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 18, 2014 20:14:39 GMT
I want sources. I am not convinced by a Baryonychine with a thin dentary, angular and surangular having a stronger biteforce than a Spinosaurine with a much more robust skull overall. With more robustly built angular and surangular, there is a larger muscle placement area. More robustly built skulls do matter, mainly when the dentary, angular and surangular are massive. In this case, I have shown Scott Hartman's skeletals as a source for Spinosaurus showing evidence of having a stronger biteforce. Moreover, Spinosaurus shows much larger teeth and a more robust build, unlike Baryonyx, which has very small teeth and a more gracile build. Spinosaurus and Baryonyx have similar skulls actually, with Spinosaurus' likely being slightly more robust due to it being proportionally larger overall. But according to Emily Rayfield's research Baryonyx would likely have a stronger bite force at parity. Scott Hartman's skeletals aren't always 100% accurate since the skulls of both Baryonyx and Spinosaurus are very fragmentary. And we are not talking about build so that doesn't necessarily matter right now. Mecha, Baryonyx doesn't show any evidence of having a stronger bite than Spinosaurus at parity... Also give me alink for that |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 18, 2014 20:15:45 GMT
And we are talking about build which does matter here Mecha
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 18, 2014 20:51:35 GMT
Spinosaurus and Baryonyx have similar skulls actually, with Spinosaurus' likely being slightly more robust due to it being proportionally larger overall. But according to Emily Rayfield's research Baryonyx would likely have a stronger bite force at parity. Scott Hartman's skeletals aren't always 100% accurate since the skulls of both Baryonyx and Spinosaurus are very fragmentary. And we are not talking about build so that doesn't necessarily matter right now. Mecha, Baryonyx doesn't show any evidence of having a stronger bite than Spinosaurus at parity... Also give me alink for that RaptorX should have the link to the study. It doesn't exactly state that Baryonyx would have a stronger bite force than Spinosaurus at parity, but it does sort of imply that. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 18, 2014 20:52:32 GMT
I have seen baryonyx reconstructions in real life and the skulls are pretty gracile. Yea but they would be reconstructions of the immature specimen. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 18, 2014 20:53:05 GMT
And we are talking about build which does matter here Mecha Yea but there isn't a massive build difference between Spinosaurus and Baryonyx. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 18, 2014 20:55:12 GMT
"I'd say that spinosaurinae have a weak bite force for their size, but according to Emily Rayfield's research baryonychinae have bite forces comparable to other theropods in their size range." RaptorX said this has much thinner jaws than virtually any theropod, thus having less muscle placing areas. It is simply logical. It doesn't have 'much' thinner jaws than other Spinosaurids. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 18, 2014 21:08:06 GMT
Baryonyx has much thinner jaws than virtually any theropod, thus having less muscle placing areas. It is simply logical. It doesn't have 'much' thinner jaws than other Spinosaurids. I said theropods, not spinosaurids. If you deny it then that's just bias |
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