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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 15, 2015 11:49:19 GMT
spinosaurus1Which does not equate into a Komodo dragon-sized Megalania prisca preying upon 2 ton animals.You're not refuting my point here at all; you're addressing a point that was not made. which is why evidence of 23 meter long individuals still exists and were probably the main hunters of such prey. might i add that that study was made in 2002. the most recent one in 2012 has brought a STV length of the largest indaviduals to a total of 10 feet. once again, making the average far larger then the mear 11 feet total average length 15 foot maximum length anounced by Stephen Wroe in freaking 2002. i misunderstood your first post, but hows this for a rebutal?
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Post by Theropod on Jan 15, 2015 15:27:32 GMT
es1001Yes, but you're still missing the point.Still missing the point.This is exactly what I'm saying.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 15, 2015 15:33:19 GMT
spinosaurus1"You're not refuting my point here at all; you're addressing a point that was not made."I will not address an argument that has nothing to do with my point, my point is that the possibility of it not being venomous exists.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 15, 2015 17:04:02 GMT
thats not what this says.
i think what i brought up answers that quite nicely.
which would be ignoring the fact that EVERY single varanid is venomous. there are no exceptions. venom is a basal adaptation just as feathers are to birds. and just like how feathers can be traced back to early theropods, venom can be traced back all the way to mosasaur origin. in all honesty, and i mean no act of rudeness to you, but it is down right retarded to assume magalainia lacks venom, especially when it's extant relations are already among the most venomous lizards that ever walked the earth.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 15, 2015 17:20:54 GMT
and now to answer your " aparently" unanswerable point. www.pnas.org/content/106/22/8969.fullmegalainia is, quote on quote, " the largest terrestrial venomous organism ever to live on earth".
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jan 15, 2015 20:03:09 GMT
Well, one other species of Varanus have a toxic bite. Correct me if I am wrong, I do not know too much about monitor lizards, but if I am not mistaken, isn't the Komodo Dragon the only one with a venomous bite? Varanus priscus (apparently Megalania is now regarded as a common name) was similar to Varanus komodensis, but, was it similar enough that it was literally a giant version with the same habits, features, and weapons? I honestly have no idea, but if Varanus priscus did in fact have a venomous bite, it is pretty much game over. Even if Utahraptor wins, it would die later, so Utahraptor is stuck in a lose/lose situation. incorrect, every varanid contains venom. even green iguanas have ancestral lineages that allow them to have a very mild venom that causes at the very most a slight amount of swelling at the bite wound ( researched and experienced ). same goes with most monitors. it is even traced down to mosasaur origins, where it is believed it aided with digestion. right now, the top 4 monitors that can kill you with venom are the komodo dragon, the lace monitor, the perenti, and the crocodile monitor. but the komodo dragon has the most powerful and only the ora and the lace monitor have been recorded to kill a human with it Thanks for the correction. In that case, why would Varanus priscus not have venom?
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Post by Theropod on Jan 16, 2015 14:49:59 GMT
spinosaurus1Nothing suggests an individual the size of a Komodo dragon would go for an animal weighing 2 tons...It wouldn't, unless you're telling me the possibility is absolutely zero...? That doesn't make sense to me, as much more unlikely things aren't entirely impossible.You're discussing as if I denied the possibility of its venom, which is exactly what I am not doing.It is, and that's exactly why I didn't assume that -_- You're completely missing the point that is being made.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 16, 2015 14:52:47 GMT
In that case, why would Varanus priscus not have venom? No one here thinks it wasn't venomous, I'm just referring to the possibility it wasn't venomous.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 16, 2015 14:55:17 GMT
and now to answer your " aparently" unanswerable point. www.pnas.org/content/106/22/8969.fullmegalainia is, quote on quote, " the largest terrestrial venomous organism ever to live on earth". All of this completely ignores the keyword
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 16, 2015 15:24:12 GMT
spinosaurus1Nothing suggests an individual the size of a Komodo dragon would go for an animal weighing 2 tons...It wouldn't, unless you're telling me the possibility is absolutely zero...? That doesn't make sense to me, as much more unlikely things aren't entirely impossible.You're discussing as if I denied the possibility of its venom, which is exactly what I am not doing.It is, and that's exactly why I didn't assume that -_- You're completely missing the point that is being made. you just quoted your own quote. what I've brought up directly refutes the fact that megalainia WASN'T komodo dragon size.
actually yes, I am. that's how certain I am. its the same reason why were all tetrapods, the same reason why all birds are feathered, same reason why all elapids are venomous, the list goes on. nothing ecological, evolutionary, or even evidently suggest megalainia didn't have venom and be the outlier of its entire family. matter of fact, theres evidence suggesting otherwise. do I need to quote you again? looks like I have to.
you have shown uncertainty about megalainia processing venom. I answered it by giving you a freaking abstract paper that confirms that megalainia was venomous, therefore there's really no need for you to quote me on this, as I obviously answered your question.
" my point is that the possibility of it not being venomous exist" say's otherwise. do you really need to quote me, being that I have already given you a study that supports the presence of venom in megalainia? -_-
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 16, 2015 15:29:18 GMT
the very paper i posted already answered your dang question. there is no possibility of megalainia not possessing venom when theres already evidence supporting it.
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Post by es1001 on Jan 21, 2015 4:46:20 GMT
And so, we can assume that Megalania would use it's venomous bite in this fight, and that evens things out a bit.
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Post by moustache on Feb 4, 2015 15:42:52 GMT
I'm not sure about "Megalania"'s size. Someone suggested that it was "just" 4.5 meters long: If Megalania is 7-8 meters long, it takes this. If not, Utahraptor would win.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Feb 4, 2015 22:01:50 GMT
4 meters was brought up by a study in 2002. the most recent take on megalainia supports it hitting sizes far larger then that
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