inherit
168
0
Oct 13, 2016 21:30:53 GMT
48
2pac
I'm proceratosaurus and this name is temporary.
1,253
December 2014
proceratosaurus
Torvosaurus tanneri
Bald eagle
|
Post by 2pac on Jan 5, 2015 2:08:51 GMT
Megalania has got this. As Theropod worked out, the size difference between the biggest estimates is huge, and also Megalanias toxic bite would come into play. As far as I am aware, there isn't evidence for a toxic bite on Megalania. |
|
inherit
9
0
Feb 21, 2017 11:58:22 GMT
79
es1001
1,498
October 2013
es1001
http://www.youtube.com/user/Entersandman1001
esandman1001
TheSandman
Tyrannosaurus
Great White Shark
|
Post by es1001 on Jan 5, 2015 7:09:42 GMT
Megalania has got this. As Theropod worked out, the size difference between the biggest estimates is huge, and also Megalanias toxic bite would come into play. As far as I am aware, there isn't evidence for a toxic bite on Megalania. |
|
inherit
168
0
Oct 13, 2016 21:30:53 GMT
48
2pac
I'm proceratosaurus and this name is temporary.
1,253
December 2014
proceratosaurus
Torvosaurus tanneri
Bald eagle
|
Post by 2pac on Jan 5, 2015 14:40:04 GMT
As far as I am aware, there isn't evidence for a toxic bite on Megalania. They're both varanids, but that doesn't exactly prove it. It's safe to assume a toxic bite, yes, but I wouldn't advise using it as a deciding factor. |
|
inherit
95
0
Nov 21, 2016 16:13:36 GMT
173
spinosaurus1
┌∩┐(^o^)┌∩┐
710
April 2014
spinosaurus1
fredrick alexander
spinosaurus
komodo dragan and tegu
|
Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 7, 2015 0:54:17 GMT
seeing the way modern ora are capable to dispatching animals with the combination of serrated dentition and toxic proteins, it is indeed a deciding factor. and given the close relations of megalainia and the ora, along with the fact that given the very large fauna it coexsisted with, plus the fact that the venom adaptations of varanids can be traced back all the way to the time of mosasaurs, it is relatively easy to see that megalaina had a pretty potent venom and would of required it to predate on the organisms it coexsisted with.
|
|
#00be0f
1
0
1
Sept 19, 2022 0:50:28 GMT
1,130
Theropod
12,650
October 2013
admin
Theropoda Entertainment
Ask through PM
Thero
Genyodectes
Eagle
{"image":"https://66.media.tumblr.com/bec0264f6aea4d9a0137ba0694abea69/tumblr_mmae6u05vY1relrdqo1_1280.jpg","color":"000000"}
460000
ff9900
Example 1
|
Post by Theropod on Jan 9, 2015 14:49:45 GMT
You sure it was required? Since it was larger, wouldn't the venom actually be more redundant? I'm not agreeing or disagreeing, just saying.
|
|
#00be0f
10
0
1
140
thesporerex
"May the flames guide thee"
2,872
October 2013
thesporerex
Example 4
|
Post by thesporerex on Jan 9, 2015 18:27:14 GMT
Yes he is sure. Megalania on average wasn't much larger than a Komodo dragon. Not only that the creatures it shared its ecosystem with were even bigger than it. An example can be Diprotodon which could weigh up to 2 tonnes. Various other diprotodontids like Zygomaturus, Palorchestes and Phascolonus were in the 200-500kg range. Massive Kangaroo like creatures which could get above 200kg could easily out run Megalania could be useful for the venom as it will kill them even if they do get away.
|
|
inherit
95
0
Nov 21, 2016 16:13:36 GMT
173
spinosaurus1
┌∩┐(^o^)┌∩┐
710
April 2014
spinosaurus1
fredrick alexander
spinosaurus
komodo dragan and tegu
|
Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 10, 2015 5:28:54 GMT
thesporerex hit the nail on the head. although megalainia being more massive may seem to be a reason to see it having less powerful venom then it's modern relatives, it is important to note that the prey items it lived with can be 2 times larger then the largest water buffalo extant komodo dragons coexisted with.
|
|
#00be0f
1
0
1
Sept 19, 2022 0:50:28 GMT
1,130
Theropod
12,650
October 2013
admin
Theropoda Entertainment
Ask through PM
Thero
Genyodectes
Eagle
{"image":"https://66.media.tumblr.com/bec0264f6aea4d9a0137ba0694abea69/tumblr_mmae6u05vY1relrdqo1_1280.jpg","color":"000000"}
460000
ff9900
Example 1
|
Post by Theropod on Jan 11, 2015 3:24:28 GMT
thesporerexAre we using an average-sized individual here, rather than a much larger one, as even yourself agreed to be very possible earlier on a conversation we had about it? With Utahraptor ostrommaysorum being much larger than an average Komodo dragon, I'm afraid a smaller Megalania prisca would be very one-sided.So, all of them were bigger than it, and all of them were bigger than a larger-than-average individual. Tell me more about how predators always go for the hardest prey!
|
|
inherit
95
0
Nov 21, 2016 16:13:36 GMT
173
spinosaurus1
┌∩┐(^o^)┌∩┐
710
April 2014
spinosaurus1
fredrick alexander
spinosaurus
komodo dragan and tegu
|
Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 11, 2015 3:44:12 GMT
because komodo dragons are adapted to take on tough prey? extant examples already exsist. if a smaller komodo dragon could kill a buffalo in both an ambush and straight out confrontation, then magalainia woulds comparatively be just as capable of killing animals just as large and even larger then that modern komodo dragons take. ora take on feral dogs, deer, wild boar, and water buffalo. megalainia overall larger build is to suit it for taking on larger prey.
|
|
#00be0f
1
0
1
Sept 19, 2022 0:50:28 GMT
1,130
Theropod
12,650
October 2013
admin
Theropoda Entertainment
Ask through PM
Thero
Genyodectes
Eagle
{"image":"https://66.media.tumblr.com/bec0264f6aea4d9a0137ba0694abea69/tumblr_mmae6u05vY1relrdqo1_1280.jpg","color":"000000"}
460000
ff9900
Example 1
|
Post by Theropod on Jan 11, 2015 4:05:50 GMT
spinosaurus1Which does not equate into a Komodo dragon-sized Megalania prisca preying upon 2 ton animals.You're not refuting my point here at all; you're addressing a point that was not made.
|
|
inherit
9
0
Feb 21, 2017 11:58:22 GMT
79
es1001
1,498
October 2013
es1001
http://www.youtube.com/user/Entersandman1001
esandman1001
TheSandman
Tyrannosaurus
Great White Shark
|
Post by es1001 on Jan 14, 2015 13:02:17 GMT
Does it matter if he is not refuting your point? He is still making a valid argument, that you did not respond to directly at all. Not trying to be mean, or rude, or anything really. Sorry if that sounded harsh.
But yeah, we have extant examples of creatures very similar to Megalania taking on much larger prey with the use of venom. Megalania was also much smaller than many of the creatures around at that time. Sure, it could possibly have lived on smaller prey, but why are we ruling out the idea of Megalania using venom to kill larger prey? Surely this mechanism would have helped Megalania thrive in its ecosystem as top predator?
And if this is true, we can apply it to the topic, and say that it is a pretty even fight between Megalania and Utahraptor, if we were to say that the creature who wins has to survive.
|
|
#00be0f
1
0
1
Sept 19, 2022 0:50:28 GMT
1,130
Theropod
12,650
October 2013
admin
Theropoda Entertainment
Ask through PM
Thero
Genyodectes
Eagle
{"image":"https://66.media.tumblr.com/bec0264f6aea4d9a0137ba0694abea69/tumblr_mmae6u05vY1relrdqo1_1280.jpg","color":"000000"}
460000
ff9900
Example 1
|
Post by Theropod on Jan 15, 2015 2:16:24 GMT
es1001It does, there's no debate if the debaters are addressing different points.The argument he made against mine does not pertain to my point, so there's no reason why I'd address it.The fact that there are extant animals that do this does not necessarily prove Megalania prisca did so as well; this argument does not prove the opposite of my case given how opposite, true examples would make a fact both true and false at the same time, which doesn't make sense to me.Again, this does not prove your point, and I already explained why.I personally am not ruling it out, my point is that it is not absolutely a fact.Too bad this logic does not apply in real life all the time, as we have so many non-venomous animals that would thrive as top predator.
|
|
inherit
102
0
77
Monolophosaurus
My favorite number in the alphabet is triangle.
1,094
May 26, 2014 20:39:12 GMT
May 2014
captainjimmbob
Monolophosaurus
House Cat
|
Post by Monolophosaurus on Jan 15, 2015 2:33:43 GMT
Well, one other species of Varanus have a toxic bite. Correct me if I am wrong, I do not know too much about monitor lizards, but if I am not mistaken, isn't the Komodo Dragon the only one with a venomous bite? Varanus priscus (apparently Megalania is now regarded as a common name) was similar to Varanus komodensis, but, was it similar enough that it was literally a giant version with the same habits, features, and weapons?
I honestly have no idea, but if Varanus priscus did in fact have a venomous bite, it is pretty much game over. Even if Utahraptor wins, it would die later, so Utahraptor is stuck in a lose/lose situation.
|
|
inherit
9
0
Feb 21, 2017 11:58:22 GMT
79
es1001
1,498
October 2013
es1001
http://www.youtube.com/user/Entersandman1001
esandman1001
TheSandman
Tyrannosaurus
Great White Shark
|
Post by es1001 on Jan 15, 2015 5:31:48 GMT
Surely the fact that we have extant relatives of Megalania that have venomous bites makes it more likely that Megalania also shared the same trait? Especially since they were living in similar fashio? (Much larger prey as an example)
I can see that you're saying it's not absolute fact, but it is certainly a possibility.
|
|
inherit
95
0
Nov 21, 2016 16:13:36 GMT
173
spinosaurus1
┌∩┐(^o^)┌∩┐
710
April 2014
spinosaurus1
fredrick alexander
spinosaurus
komodo dragan and tegu
|
Post by spinosaurus1 on Jan 15, 2015 11:11:23 GMT
Well, one other species of Varanus have a toxic bite. Correct me if I am wrong, I do not know too much about monitor lizards, but if I am not mistaken, isn't the Komodo Dragon the only one with a venomous bite? Varanus priscus (apparently Megalania is now regarded as a common name) was similar to Varanus komodensis, but, was it similar enough that it was literally a giant version with the same habits, features, and weapons? I honestly have no idea, but if Varanus priscus did in fact have a venomous bite, it is pretty much game over. Even if Utahraptor wins, it would die later, so Utahraptor is stuck in a lose/lose situation. incorrect, every varanid contains venom. even green iguanas have ancestral lineages that allow them to have a very mild venom that causes at the very most a slight amount of swelling at the bite wound ( researched and experienced  ). same goes with most monitors. it is even traced down to mosasaur origins, where it is believed it aided with digestion. right now, the top 4 monitors that can kill you with venom are the komodo dragon, the lace monitor, the perenti, and the crocodile monitor. but the komodo dragon has the most powerful and only the ora and the lace monitor have been recorded to kill a human with it |
|
