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Post by Theropod on Nov 28, 2013 16:32:28 GMT
Also, I never said that logic applied to EVERY theropod taxon. What you and thesporerex seem to forget is that sometimes only the juvenile specimen of a theropod is found, and juveniles usually have gracile morphs. There are plenty of examples of this found in both the Megalosauriod and Coelurosaurid taxons. I'm not sure on how many of the Megalosauriods and Coelurosaurids found are juvenile or adult, but I'm saying that you shouldn't always instantly assume an animal is gracile when there is a possibility that the only specimen found is a juvenile. As I said before, Megalosaurids and Spinosaurids in general had pretty wide ribcages, and this would add to their bulk considerably. Even ask RaptorX for further evidence. Smaller Coelurosaurids (large Dromeosaurids mainly) have actually been found out to have pretty bulky builds for their sizes, and were probably specialised in taking down large prey with force. Even watch RaptorX's video entitled 'Giant Dromeosaurids: thieves of the Cretaceous', he backs up the bulky Dromeosaurid theory somewhere in the video. But you use it like it really did, and the holotype is based on the juvenile sizes as far as I am aware of, at least until they actually find anything that indicated the adult size. Also, isn't this debate about Tarbosaurus vs Torvosaurus? Torvosaurus is in fact gracile, based on what we have. I am sure it is not a juvenile. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Nov 28, 2013 16:40:12 GMT
Also, I never said that logic applied to EVERY theropod taxon. What you and thesporerex seem to forget is that sometimes only the juvenile specimen of a theropod is found, and juveniles usually have gracile morphs. There are plenty of examples of this found in both the Megalosauriod and Coelurosaurid taxons. I'm not sure on how many of the Megalosauriods and Coelurosaurids found are juvenile or adult, but I'm saying that you shouldn't always instantly assume an animal is gracile when there is a possibility that the only specimen found is a juvenile. As I said before, Megalosaurids and Spinosaurids in general had pretty wide ribcages, and this would add to their bulk considerably. Even ask RaptorX for further evidence. Smaller Coelurosaurids (large Dromeosaurids mainly) have actually been found out to have pretty bulky builds for their sizes, and were probably specialised in taking down large prey with force. Even watch RaptorX's video entitled 'Giant Dromeosaurids: thieves of the Cretaceous', he backs up the bulky Dromeosaurid theory somewhere in the video. But you use it like it really did, and the holotype is based on the juvenile sizes as far as I am aware of, at least until they actually find anything that indicated the adult size. Also, isn't this debate about Tarbosaurus vs Torvosaurus? Torvosaurus is in fact gracile, based on what we have. I am sure it is not a juvenile. I know that the majority of Torvosaurus found aren't juveniles, but I was using other Megalosauriods and Coelurosaurids as examples. Torvosaurus wasn't particularly gracile, I even used a quote from RaptorX to explain that Megalosaurids and Spinosaurids had pretty wide ribcages, which would add to their bulk. Just because an animal doesn't have a deep torso doesn't mean that it can't have a dense torso. |
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Post by Theropod on Nov 28, 2013 16:46:18 GMT
But you use it like it really did, and the holotype is based on the juvenile sizes as far as I am aware of, at least until they actually find anything that indicated the adult size. Also, isn't this debate about Tarbosaurus vs Torvosaurus? Torvosaurus is in fact gracile, based on what we have. I am sure it is not a juvenile. I know that the majority of Torvosaurus found aren't juveniles, but I was using other Megalosauriods and Coelurosaurids as examples. Torvosaurus wasn't particularly gracile, I even used a quote from RaptorX to explain that Megalosaurids and Spinosaurids had pretty wide ribcages, which would add to their bulk. Just because an animal doesn't have a deep torso doesn't mean that it can't have a dense torso. Once again, you are using that flawled logic. It doesn't necessarily apply to Torvosaurus as it was actually more gracile than Tarbosaurus anyway. Also this debate is going out of context. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Nov 28, 2013 16:55:41 GMT
I know that the majority of Torvosaurus found aren't juveniles, but I was using other Megalosauriods and Coelurosaurids as examples. Torvosaurus wasn't particularly gracile, I even used a quote from RaptorX to explain that Megalosaurids and Spinosaurids had pretty wide ribcages, which would add to their bulk. Just because an animal doesn't have a deep torso doesn't mean that it can't have a dense torso. Once again, you are using that flawled logic. It doesn't necessarily apply to Torvosaurus as it was actually more gracile than Tarbosaurus anyway. Also this debate is going out of context. I know that Torvosaurus was more gracile than Tarbosaurus, so yea, Tarbosaurus would most likely win 60% of the time. |
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Post by Theropod on Nov 28, 2013 16:58:04 GMT
Once again, you are using that flawled logic. It doesn't necessarily apply to Torvosaurus as it was actually more gracile than Tarbosaurus anyway. Also this debate is going out of context. I know that Torvosaurus was more gracile than Tarbosaurus, so yea, Tarbosaurus would most likely win 60% of the time. Yeah that's probably it but you had a good point there overall. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 18:32:07 GMT
Tarbosaurus has better weapony then torvo, torvo has the teeth but tarbo is like a trex so it has a better bite, tarbo's teeth that size would crunch torvos spine if lucky enough.
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Post by Theropod on Nov 28, 2013 19:01:54 GMT
Tarbosaurus has better weapony then torvo, torvo has the teeth but tarbo is like a trex so it has a better bite, tarbo's teeth that size would crunch torvos spine if lucky enough. Except Tarbosaurus had a more gracile jaw than T. rex. |
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Nov 29, 2013 1:32:30 GMT
i would say that tarbosaurus would win about 54/46 due to its more robust build, but torvosaurus would clearly be a dangerous opponent due to its really powerful bite.
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Post by Theropod on Nov 29, 2013 15:25:40 GMT
More like 60/40 in favour of Tarbosaurus but it's a small difference so yeah.
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Post by Carnage on Dec 18, 2014 17:32:17 GMT
Tarbosaurus wins by a slight margin.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Dec 22, 2014 22:29:07 GMT
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Post by thesporerex on Dec 23, 2014 1:32:33 GMT
Torvosaurus is extremely gracile, just because its a megalosauriod doesn't mean its somewhat bulky. Infact most of everything is gracile, most tyrannosauriods are gracile. Tarbosaurus would win here due to the the much bulkier body, probably stronger bite force it and would probably be heavier to at parity since this is 9-11 metre Torvosaurus vs a 9-10+ Tarbosauurs so there is not much of size difference between either. I still agree with this |
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Dec 26, 2014 3:28:36 GMT
Tarbosaurus. Possibly a bad comparison, but it is almost like Carcharodontosaurus (I know it is not all that similar to Torvosaurus) vs Tyrannosaurus, except this one is actually probably an even close battle.
VERY close fight. But Tarbosaurus has the advantage of biteforce and bulky-build.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Dec 26, 2014 11:23:53 GMT
Torvosaurus and Carchrodontosaurus may not be the best comparisons, as Torvosaurus has a much larger/more robust skull proportionally and I would personally favour it over most theropods at close parity.
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Post by 2pac on Dec 31, 2014 22:49:55 GMT
For whatever it's worth, let's not get too much into comparing Tarbosaurus to Tyrannosaurus:  With very rough estimates, we get under 4 tons of biteforce for Tarbosaurus, but I myself wouldn't use that number too often, I calculated it extremely roughly. |
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