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Post by Theropod on Jul 18, 2016 18:24:37 GMT
I would give this to Tyrannosaurus face-to-face more easily than if it attacked from behind, but regardless I put more faith in it here.
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jul 18, 2016 18:42:35 GMT
T.rex wins.
Whilst Diplodocus may have had thorn-like spikes around its bullwhip tail (like Fred said on the page of that above artwork on deviantart), it might not be such a soft target, but I still think it isn't too much for a T.rex to handle.
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Post by gigantophis guest account on Jul 18, 2016 18:50:40 GMT
D. Carnegii is smaller Than the other species of diplodocus. D. Hallorum would curbstomp rex but in my opinion its 60/40 to rex in this case.
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Post by Theropod on Jul 18, 2016 20:47:43 GMT
I don't think the tail is bringing a determined Tyrannosaurus down, just wouldn't underestimate it.
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Post by parasaurolophus on Jul 20, 2016 19:25:58 GMT
it might rear up to crush it along with his tail or use his neck to hit the t-rex, Or even use his front or back legs to kick it. so I think Diplo my win to make T-rex back down v:
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Post by Theropod on Jul 20, 2016 21:07:08 GMT
People need to stop thinking tonne-heavy sauropods can get on their read legs in seconds and balance effectively enough for combat. I don't think it bears all the agility to use its most effective weapon often enough to pull this out more than half of the time
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 21, 2016 16:22:38 GMT
Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
I fail to see how Tyrannosaurus could win this. Okay that isn't quite true, because I suppose it could bite at the neck and take it down.
But the sheer size of Diplodocus (even the smaller species D. carnegiei)... people tend to overrate theropods, when I think Tyrannosaurus would have a lot of trouble taking down a large hadrosaur, much less a giant sauropod. People also underestimate the whip-tail... or the neck. Giraffe necks do some damage, imagine a 20 ton giraffe. The neck is something I didn't think about at first but that thing is probably more deadly than you guys are thinking.
I would concede that Tyrannosaurus could win but I can't see it being much more than a 50/50.
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jul 21, 2016 16:29:07 GMT
Diplodocus carnegii is only like 11 tonnes. That really isn't much larger as T.rex could be up to 8 tonnes.
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Post by Theropod on Jul 21, 2016 16:47:11 GMT
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Giraffe necks do some damage, but to animals also considerably smaller than them. Still though, they definitely do, but let's not overrate the herbivore's defense here by using the argument that theropods are overrated. Of course the herbivore can win very often here, but I see Tyrannosaurus winning most of the time with its weapons that go beyond just blunt trauma.
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 22, 2016 3:54:32 GMT
Diplodocus carnegii is only like 11 tonnes. That really isn't much larger as T.rex could be up to 8 tonnes. Yeah but that's literally the most conservative D. carnegiei estimate I've seen versus the most liberal T. rex one. I remain unconvinced that Tyrannosaurus could win this most of the time. Really it isn't worth arguing about, because they never lived together and there are no examples of sauropods anywhere near Tyrannosaurus besides Alamosaurus which is definitely waaaaay too big for it to take on a healthy adult. |
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jul 22, 2016 11:45:55 GMT
Diplodocus carnegii is only like 11 tonnes. That really isn't much larger as T.rex could be up to 8 tonnes. Yeah but that's literally the most conservative D. carnegiei estimate I've seen versus the most liberal T. rex one. I remain unconvinced that Tyrannosaurus could win this most of the time. Really it isn't worth arguing about, because they never lived together and there are no examples of sauropods anywhere near Tyrannosaurus besides Alamosaurus which is definitely waaaaay too big for it to take on a healthy adult. It isn't worth arguing about because they never lived together? This applies to like 95% of the fights posted here. As Diplodocus is far smaller than Alamosaurus.. |
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 22, 2016 14:53:49 GMT
Yeah but that's literally the most conservative D. carnegiei estimate I've seen versus the most liberal T. rex one. I remain unconvinced that Tyrannosaurus could win this most of the time. Really it isn't worth arguing about, because they never lived together and there are no examples of sauropods anywhere near Tyrannosaurus besides Alamosaurus which is definitely waaaaay too big for it to take on a healthy adult. It isn't worth arguing about because they never lived together? This applies to like 95% of the fights posted here. As Diplodocus is far smaller than Alamosaurus.. I am aware 95% of the posts here are like that. I'm not an idiot. When did I imply that they weren't that way? I know they are. But not a single damn one of them is worth arguing over, because it is pointless and proves nothing. When did I say Diplodocus was the size of Alamosaurus? I was just pointing out that it was the only sauropod in Tyrannosaurus' environment. |
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Post by Theropod on Jul 22, 2016 15:45:36 GMT
^ Funny that you say that yet you post on them. I can't see the point of that. But arguing from pointlessness is pretty stupid, if you ask me. The problem is... You aren't even making an argument. You're just throwing in random things then as soon as they're refuted or questioned you go back and say you didn't imply such things.
I still see the carnivore winning most of the time by a fairly small margin
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 22, 2016 20:07:27 GMT
^ Funny that you say that yet you post on them. I can't see the point of that. But arguing from pointlessness is pretty stupid, if you ask me. The problem is... You aren't even making an argument. You're just throwing in random things then as soon as they're refuted or questioned you go back and say you didn't imply such things. I still see the carnivore winning most of the time by a fairly small margin What... I don't know... you know what, I'm thoroughly confused by this post. What the hell are you trying to say? I don't understand. Okay, so, first you say that I'm posting in these threads... okay that's irrelevant. A post is not an argument. I never said "oh screw these threads, how pointless of their existence," I just said an argument is pointless. I mean I've been saying that for a very long time that really I hate posting in these threads but I do anyway because as long as it is under control it can be fun. Refuted? What was refuted? You've refuted nothing. The stuff you have was not even a thing I said in the first place. I'm... you know what? This is all completely irrelevant. Cut the crap. You haven't explained how Tyrannosaurus would win at all. Look, I found a skeletal size comparison: images1.wikia.nocookie.net/archosauria/images/thumb/d/db/Tyrannosaurus_vs_Diplodocus.png/1000px-Tyrannosaurus_vs_Diplodocus.pngLooking at the weight estimates made by Greg Paul (so that we aren't using biased conservative vs liberal estimates and use the same source), we get 12 tonnes for D. carnegiei and 6 tonnes for T. rex. That's two times the size of the puny little tyrant  , if we assume that size, the Diplodocus would crush it with ease. Sue is a lot bulkier than most (maybe even all other known) T. rex, so basing scaling on Sue is... well I'm sure you can see the problem there. So that whole spiel about giraffes only doing damage to things significantly smaller? D. carnegiei is quite a lot heavier than Tyrannosaurus. Regardless, Diplodocus can kick it, tail-whip it, "neck" it, "run" (which is basically a slightly above average walk for Diplodocus) at it and ram it, and possibly, rear up and crush it (not sure what the consensus is there, Theropod said it couldn't happen but gave no reason why, but I also remain unconvinced that it could). About the only thing Tyrannosaurus can do is bite the neck (and towards the thick, base of the neck, mind you, because otherwise it's going to have to jump). But it would have to be an idiot Diplodocus for it to just stand there and let the Tyrannosaurus bite it. I'm pretty sure it would know to avoid that damn thing's jaws. Of course, it isn't some magical ninja either, but it isn't just gonna stand there and let it bite it. I think you are vastly underestimating Diplodocus' weaponry. Tyrannosaurus would have a hard time dodging them because the whip-tail can move at super-sonic speed, so if it goes back there its going to get hurt. The neck would be pretty hard to dodge if it is standing in front of the Diplodocus. It has to get to close range and if it does it gets a nice hardy kick. Right now I'm imagining the Diplodocus hitting it with its neck, possibly toppling poor T. rex, and then just simply stomping it. For now, I'm actually going to say 50/50 and not that I favor Diplodocus, despite what I've been saying. Honestly I'm tired of this after posting all this crap. I think some of what I said is horribly flawed but I'll just leave it. I don't plan on posting anymore in this thread because honestly it has no benefit for me so whatever rebuttal I get I'll probably read it and then move on and maybe accept it unless it's horribly flawed logic. |
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