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Post by Theropod on Jul 22, 2016 20:59:23 GMT
What... I don't know... you know what, I'm thoroughly confused by this post. What the hell are you trying to say? I don't understand. Okay, so, first you say that I'm posting in these threads... okay that's irrelevant. A post is not an argument. I never said "oh screw these threads, how pointless of their existence," I just said an argument is pointless. I mean I've been saying that for a very long time that really I hate posting in these threads but I do anyway because as long as it is under control it can be fun. Refuted? What was refuted? You've refuted nothing. The stuff you have was not even a thing I said in the first place. I'm... you know what? This is all completely irrelevant. Cut the crap. You said something is pointless yet you do it anyway. If there is anyone to be confused it's anyone who read your post. Lmao at you thinking I said I refuted anything, because sure, I'm the only one posting here. You haven't explained how Tyrannosaurus would win at all. Because I say things and expect to be questioned first instead of just making an argument randomly.[/quote] That one is enough for me to see how Tyrannosaurus can win. It can almost reach the head, it shouldn't have much trouble just shredding the sauropod's neck. Actual killing weapons over blunt trauma. Looking at the weight estimates made by Greg Paul (so that we aren't using biased conservative vs liberal estimates and use the same source), we get 12 tonnes for D. carnegiei and 6 tonnes for T. rex. That's two times the size of the puny little tyrant  , if we assume that size, the Diplodocus would crush it with ease. Sue is a lot bulkier than most (maybe even all other known) T. rex, so basing scaling on Sue is... well I'm sure you can see the problem there. So that whole spiel about giraffes only doing damage to things significantly smaller? D. carnegiei is quite a lot heavier than Tyrannosaurus. Size and relying on blunt trauma. Kinda makes the advantage not as large. You know, people really seem to think weight itself determines a win - but if you think about it, weaponry can overcome a size disadvantage. BHI 3033 is just one of the examples that Tyrannosaurus can last more than mere blunt trauma. I fail to see the herbivore just winning this by necking it once and there you go, wins it most of the time. Not with such a reachable neck. Regardless, Diplodocus can kick it, tail-whip it, "neck" it, "run" (which is basically a slightly above average walk for Diplodocus) at it and ram it, and possibly, rear up and crush it (not sure what the consensus is there, Theropod said it couldn't happen but gave no reason why, but I also remain unconvinced that it could). About the only thing Tyrannosaurus can do is bite the neck (and towards the thick, base of the neck, mind you, because otherwise it's going to have to jump). This is the comparison you showed yourself:  It barely needs to move up a bit to reach the thinner part of its neck. You don't think the Tyrannosaurus in the image is reaching up as high as it can, do you? Also, using your own logic... Do you think the Tyrannosaurus is going to simply let the Diplodocus neck it, or kick it, or ram it? Given it is the heavier animal, it is probably not as agile either. So your logic applies even more effectively to the side you're defending. But it would have to be an idiot Diplodocus for it to just stand there and let the Tyrannosaurus bite it. I'm pretty sure it would know to avoid that damn thing's jaws. And why would the Tyrannosaurus just wait to be kicked? Of course, it isn't some magical ninja either, but it isn't just gonna stand there and let it bite it. I think you are vastly underestimating Diplodocus' weaponry. And maybe you're thinking that they are equally agile, despite emphasizing how much larger the herbivore is. It is easier to see the carnivore here "avoiding" attacks than the other way around. Tyrannosaurus would have a hard time dodging them because the whip-tail can move at super-sonic speed, so if it goes back there its going to get hurt. Thing is, that whip-tail is barely able to kill a human, let alone an elephant-sized carnivore that can survive having its skull cracked open. It's just meant to hurt, not kill an opponent. The neck would be pretty hard to dodge if it is standing in front of the Diplodocus. It has to get to close range and if it does it gets a nice hardy kick. Right now I'm imagining the Diplodocus hitting it with its neck, possibly toppling poor T. rex, and then just simply stomping it. I can see that happening, but not most of the time. For now, I'm actually going to say 50/50 and not that I favor Diplodocus, despite what I've been saying. Honestly I'm tired of this after posting all this crap. I think some of what I said is horribly flawed but I'll just leave it. 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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jul 22, 2016 21:28:43 GMT
I can for sure see Sue winning this, all it has to do is chomp down on the neck. Perhaps Diplodocus won't just stand there, but I see the neck bite happening before the Diplo gets a chance to employ its tail.
Although I think that whip-tail would destroy a human in one blow. But I clearly don't see it killing T.rex in one blow.
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Post by Theropod on Jul 22, 2016 22:14:06 GMT
I had a little conversation with Scott Hartman in 2014, talked about sauropod tail-whips. Despite their speed, they'd definitely damage skin but a human would definitely survive it most of the time. Not underestimating it, but let's be real here, it isn't gonna kill anything.
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 23, 2016 1:23:19 GMT
What... I don't know... you know what, I'm thoroughly confused by this post. What the hell are you trying to say? I don't understand. Okay, so, first you say that I'm posting in these threads... okay that's irrelevant. A post is not an argument. I never said "oh screw these threads, how pointless of their existence," I just said an argument is pointless. I mean I've been saying that for a very long time that really I hate posting in these threads but I do anyway because as long as it is under control it can be fun. Refuted? What was refuted? You've refuted nothing. The stuff you have was not even a thing I said in the first place. I'm... you know what? This is all completely irrelevant. Cut the crap. You said something is pointless yet you do it anyway. If there is anyone to be confused it's anyone who read your post. Lmao at you thinking I said I refuted anything, because sure, I'm the only one posting here. You haven't explained how Tyrannosaurus would win at all. Because I say things and expect to be questioned first instead of just making an argument randomly. That one is enough for me to see how Tyrannosaurus can win. It can almost reach the head, it shouldn't have much trouble just shredding the sauropod's neck. Actual killing weapons over blunt trauma. Looking at the weight estimates made by Greg Paul (so that we aren't using biased conservative vs liberal estimates and use the same source), we get 12 tonnes for D. carnegiei and 6 tonnes for T. rex. That's two times the size of the puny little tyrant , if we assume that size, the Diplodocus would crush it with ease. Sue is a lot bulkier than most (maybe even all other known) T. rex, so basing scaling on Sue is... well I'm sure you can see the problem there. So that whole spiel about giraffes only doing damage to things significantly smaller? D. carnegiei is quite a lot heavier than Tyrannosaurus. Size and relying on blunt trauma. Kinda makes the advantage not as large. You know, people really seem to think weight itself determines a win - but if you think about it, weaponry can overcome a size disadvantage. BHI 3033 is just one of the examples that Tyrannosaurus can last more than mere blunt trauma. I fail to see the herbivore just winning this by necking it once and there you go, wins it most of the time. Not with such a reachable neck. Regardless, Diplodocus can kick it, tail-whip it, "neck" it, "run" (which is basically a slightly above average walk for Diplodocus) at it and ram it, and possibly, rear up and crush it (not sure what the consensus is there, Theropod said it couldn't happen but gave no reason why, but I also remain unconvinced that it could). About the only thing Tyrannosaurus can do is bite the neck (and towards the thick, base of the neck, mind you, because otherwise it's going to have to jump). This is the comparison you showed yourself: It barely needs to move up a bit to reach the thinner part of its neck. You don't think the Tyrannosaurus in the image is reaching up as high as it can, do you? Also, using your own logic... Do you think the Tyrannosaurus is going to simply let the Diplodocus neck it, or kick it, or ram it? Given it is the heavier animal, it is probably not as agile either. So your logic applies even more effectively to the side you're defending. But it would have to be an idiot Diplodocus for it to just stand there and let the Tyrannosaurus bite it. I'm pretty sure it would know to avoid that damn thing's jaws. And why would the Tyrannosaurus just wait to be kicked? Of course, it isn't some magical ninja either, but it isn't just gonna stand there and let it bite it. I think you are vastly underestimating Diplodocus' weaponry. And maybe you're thinking that they are equally agile, despite emphasizing how much larger the herbivore is. It is easier to see the carnivore here "avoiding" attacks than the other way around. Tyrannosaurus would have a hard time dodging them because the whip-tail can move at super-sonic speed, so if it goes back there its going to get hurt. Thing is, that whip-tail is barely able to kill a human, let alone an elephant-sized carnivore that can survive having its skull cracked open. It's just meant to hurt, not kill an opponent. The neck would be pretty hard to dodge if it is standing in front of the Diplodocus. It has to get to close range and if it does it gets a nice hardy kick. Right now I'm imagining the Diplodocus hitting it with its neck, possibly toppling poor T. rex, and then just simply stomping it. I can see that happening, but not most of the time. For now, I'm actually going to say 50/50 and not that I favor Diplodocus, despite what I've been saying. Honestly I'm tired of this after posting all this crap. I think some of what I said is horribly flawed but I'll just leave it. I don't plan on posting anymore in this thread because honestly it has no benefit for me so whatever rebuttal I get I'll probably read it and then move on and maybe accept it unless it's horribly flawed logic. Aight[/quote] Said I wouldn't respond, but eh screw I'm a rebel. Anyway, the Tyrannosaurus wouldn't just stand there and wait to be kicked, of course not. Imagine if it gets into close range to bite the neck or something, a kick comes its way. Its really that simple. No standing in one place and waiting required. The Diplodocus literally has to move its neck upwards to avoid the mighty jaws of T. rex. Or it can neck it if it gets into close range. Do you think these animals just sit there and stare at eachother until the T. rex leans up and bites the neck? You keep saying things I never said aren't true; i.e. I never said Diplodocus tail would kill a tyrannosaur. But saying it could only barely kill a human? Based on what? Yet another random arbitrary unjustified claim. On sauropod rearing, paulsereno.uchicago.edu/discoveries/jobaria_tiguidensis/jobaria_and_the_elephant/Granted Diplodocus isn't Jobaria, but I think the reasoning should be about the same. Just thought I would toss that in there. OH OKAY THEN. Guys did you hear that, he doesn't think that would happen most of the time! Yeah, no justification why needed, he doesn't think it would happen that often therefore it doesn't happen that often. Argument over.  See this is why I don't like these kind of threads despite my posting in them (duh duh but you're being a hypocrite bleh bleh fuck you too). They are not beneficial in the slightest and do nothing but cause random arguments over stupid pointless bullcrap that couldn't ever happen in real life anyway. So can we please just be done? Of course I could have just been done earlier when I said I would be but I'm a hypocritical sack of shit and I wanted to try and get the last laugh because I'm evil hahahah. Honestly, these threads are beyond pointless and pretty immature ("but why do you post in them then blah blah blah" that doesn't make my point any less valid, especially considering I have said several times I don't like these threads but post in them ANYWAY), because it is literally just an awesomebro contest. Instead of learning about these animals for what they are and stuff, we are more concerned about who would win in a damn fight between two random dinosaurs that never met. Okay so can we be done please? This absolutely ridiculous, even if I basically started it and made it worse. EDIT: Haha I posted something after this post anyway because I'm such a lousy sack of crap. To be fair it was basically an edit. |
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 23, 2016 5:38:25 GMT
Also one more thing, sauropods aren't those dinky little earthworm with leg things. Their necks were HUGE. Corn on the cob as Mike Taylor puts it. Like this:   That's gonna be damn near impossible for Tyrannosaurus to get its head around, plus that thing is extremely muscular... I mean it really speaks for itself that thing is DANGEROUS. |
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Post by Vince on Dec 3, 2016 4:56:56 GMT
It is said that when being hit by that tail was like being hit with a telephone pole.And the bite of T-rex was like an elephant landing on top of you.so which is more painful? also a telephone pole is like an electric post.
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