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Post by Theropod on Jun 30, 2014 21:05:13 GMT
spinosaurus1Just look at the earlier pages, of course they don't think that anymore but yeah.
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 1, 2014 0:13:16 GMT
I have been looking at the absolute massive size of Spinosaurus and i have had a change in mind (I used to think Tyrannosaurus would obliterate the Spinosaurus). I think its a 50/50, but if i could pick one, i still would go with Tyrannosaurus.
Basically the Tyrannosaurus is at the exact height to rip out the Spinosaurus' jugular vein. But Spinosaurus is actually so large and powerful that it really could kill a Tyrannosaurus, but definitely not in one claw swipe. Spinosaurus would fight back.
Tyrannosaurus goes in after the neck. Spinosaurus uses its most powerful weapon to rip into Tyrannosaurus' neck and chin. The Tyrannosaurus tears back, taking muscle and arteries from the powerful Spinosaurus. Spinosaurus is alive, but he is now losing blood fast. Spinosaurus still has his vital jugular vein, but he has a massive hole in his neck. Tyrannosaurus lunges forward into the Spinosaurs neck, this time chomping down around the bottom of the neck. The Spinosaurus swipes very hard at the Tyrant. With blood dripping from the Tyrannosaurs face and neck, and even his chest, he pulls back. Many of the neck vertabra are broken or fractured in Spinosaurus. Tyrannosaurus has many scars from where he was was swiped by the mighty claws of the powerful Spinosaur. The Spinosaurus falls to the ground. He is done. The Tyrannosaurus begins to walk away, but he, too, bites the dust. The technical winner is Tyrannosaurus, but ultimately it is a draw.
That was probably highly inaccurate. I dont know if thats how the fight would go, but it depicts what i think is the fight outcome.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jul 1, 2014 1:10:21 GMT
Interesting story. Its plausable, but it does have some inaccuracies. Theropods are not adapted to swiping their arms, its more accustomed to grasping and crushing with tremendous force. And as with vise versa, spinosaurus is at an even better position to grapple down and create damage to the tyrannosaurus neck. And the tyrannosaurus lunging without the spinosaurus retaliating is pretty bias. Spinosaurus has pretty good chances of out muscling the tyrannosaurus to the ground
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Jul 1, 2014 1:40:09 GMT
Interesting story. Its plausable, but it does have some inaccuracies. Theropods are not adapted to swiping their arms, its more accustomed to grasping and crushing with tremendous force. And as with vise versa, spinosaurus is at an even better position to grapple down and create damage to the tyrannosaurus neck. And the tyrannosaurus lunging without the spinosaurus retaliating is pretty bias. Spinosaurus has pretty good chances of out muscling the tyrannosaurus to the ground Yeah, as i said, its probably highly inaccurate. |
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Jul 2, 2014 21:47:16 GMT
Spinodontosaurus got on this and brought up numerous points. fist, cau estimated baryonyx as only 7.5 meters, were as paul estimated it to be 9.5 meters and hartman 10 meters. also, cau estimated suchomimus skull as a mere 75 cm. Rather small compared to hartmans estimate of 108 cm. This most likely explain why cau got only 10.5 meters for the holotype whil hartman and paul gotten estimates around 14 meters |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jul 3, 2014 22:28:39 GMT
I am pretty sceptical of some of those estimates to be honest. They could be used as a possibility, but at this point I wouldn't consider them that much because they completely contradict the estimates from other palaeontologists such as the ones Spinosaurus1 mentioned. |
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Post by Theropod on Jul 4, 2014 18:03:21 GMT
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Post by ornitholestes on Jul 7, 2014 12:53:50 GMT
There is actually a piece of jugal referred to the Baryonyx holotype, which Cau seems to omit. Or has there been some revision I’m not aware of? There also seems to be no space for temporal fenestrae in his 75cm skull, the "anterior end of braincase" is shifted very far back, resulting in a posterior (dis)placement of the lacrimal, nasal and antorbital fenestra. it is quite obvious he tried to make the skull’s posterior region as short as possible–obviously in support of his previous reconstructions and his earlier assertion that the rostrum made up two third sof the skull lenght.
Of course that also contradicts most if not all other theropod skulls, where the rostrum (tip of premaxilla to jugal contact) is actually closer to 50% of the skull lenght.
I think Charig & Milner’s restoration (shy of a metre long) isn’t bad at all. One has to ignore the excessive depth given to the posterior part by restoring some of the elements to a great dorsoventral lenght, in the tradition of more normal theropods (which we now know was likely not present due to more complete rostra and posterior crania reported for Suchomimus, Spinosaurus and Irritator that were described later). In terms of lenght proportions, I’m fine with it, and I think Hartman’s work reflects that (it is just slightly longer, but all his spinosaur skulls are).
That’s just a side note though, Spinodontosaurus already adressed the relevant stuff regarding total lenght. On that matter, I chose to trust Hartman’s skeletals, restoration of the complete skeletal structure simply allows for much more complete and accurate reconstruction of proportions and lenght properties, but I found nothing in particular wrong with summing up vertebrae (even though there is that measurement issue with the data in Charig & Milner’s description, which is still unresolved).
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Post by jurassicjohn on Aug 1, 2014 5:30:29 GMT
Oh here it is the classic jurassic park 3 battle. Anyways these are my favorite dinosaurs from my favorite film franchise. So this is a tough choice but im ganna say spinosaurus. Granted trex is a bit heavier set and can probably go for the spinosaurus sail but spinosaurus is a good 15 feet longer than a trex and has the advantage of having longer arms to grapple the trex and bite it. So i think spinosaurus could pull of a tough win.
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Post by mrirongolem27 on Aug 14, 2014 6:10:16 GMT
Who cares. T. rex would rip that puny-excuse-of-a-dinosaur's arm off and eat it. T. Rex tries to bite Spino arm = T. Rex makes face easier to slap |
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Post by mrirongolem27 on Aug 14, 2014 6:10:33 GMT
Who cares. T. rex would rip that puny-excuse-of-a-dinosaur's arm off and eat it. T. Rex tries to bite Spino arm = T. Rex makes face easier to slap |
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Post by mrirongolem27 on Aug 14, 2014 6:19:54 GMT
Tyrannosaurus has gigantic teeth, and even though the modern reconstructions are likely more powerful (but not constant win like you said), Spinosaurus has teeth made for grappling fish, not armored dinosaurs such as Ankylosaurus. Tyrannosaurus rex is simply a more evolved predator, the top creature of the Cretaceous. 1) Spinosaurus' teeth are roughly the same size at T.rex's teeth. The largest Spinosaurus teeth are in the 10" range if not longer, which is comparable to most T.rex teeth. Moreover, they're also very similar in morphology, both being conical-shaped, very thick, and showing a lot of wear on the surface. The only notable difference is that T.rex had wide serrations along the front and back, which Spinosaurus lacked. 2) Spinosaurus fed on prey that was just as, if not more, armored than Ankylosaurus and Triceratops. Most of the fish in Spinosaurus' environment were covered in cosmoid scales, which are a special type of fish scale that grows with the body and is covered in a type of dentin. Dentin is the strongest material produced by any vertebrate animal's body (and stronger than Ankylosaur armor), and extinct fish like Mawsonia and Neoceratodus were covered in the stuff. That's not all, as these fish could also seriously harm any attacker as well. Bawitius, a giant species of reedfish 3 meters long, had razorblade-like spines on the fins on its back which are used in defense. Onchopristis has a 2 meter rostrum with huge spikes sticking out of it, which could also cause serious damage, and then there were also huge sharks and Cladocyclus fish which had huge teeth in their jaws, rays with killer stingers, and even a few species of mosasaurs and plesiosaurs which could try to bite Spinosaurus back. The prey it was feeding on were far from harmless. 3) There is no such thing as more evolved. Evolution is not a ladder, it is a bush which goes out in all kinds of directions and will even go backwards if nature requires it to. If it was a ladder, then Tyrannosaurus would be inferior in every single possible way to a chicken, as a chicken is far "more evolved" than the primitive Coelurosaur. The documentary series "Monsters Ressurected" suggests that Spino absolutely crushed creatures like Sarchosuchus, Rugops, Carcharodontosaurus, and Paralititan. How much harder is T rex? |
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Aug 14, 2014 19:05:24 GMT
1) Spinosaurus' teeth are roughly the same size at T.rex's teeth. The largest Spinosaurus teeth are in the 10" range if not longer, which is comparable to most T.rex teeth. Moreover, they're also very similar in morphology, both being conical-shaped, very thick, and showing a lot of wear on the surface. The only notable difference is that T.rex had wide serrations along the front and back, which Spinosaurus lacked. 2) Spinosaurus fed on prey that was just as, if not more, armored than Ankylosaurus and Triceratops. Most of the fish in Spinosaurus' environment were covered in cosmoid scales, which are a special type of fish scale that grows with the body and is covered in a type of dentin. Dentin is the strongest material produced by any vertebrate animal's body (and stronger than Ankylosaur armor), and extinct fish like Mawsonia and Neoceratodus were covered in the stuff. That's not all, as these fish could also seriously harm any attacker as well. Bawitius, a giant species of reedfish 3 meters long, had razorblade-like spines on the fins on its back which are used in defense. Onchopristis has a 2 meter rostrum with huge spikes sticking out of it, which could also cause serious damage, and then there were also huge sharks and Cladocyclus fish which had huge teeth in their jaws, rays with killer stingers, and even a few species of mosasaurs and plesiosaurs which could try to bite Spinosaurus back. The prey it was feeding on were far from harmless. 3) There is no such thing as more evolved. Evolution is not a ladder, it is a bush which goes out in all kinds of directions and will even go backwards if nature requires it to. If it was a ladder, then Tyrannosaurus would be inferior in every single possible way to a chicken, as a chicken is far "more evolved" than the primitive Coelurosaur. The documentary series "Monsters Ressurected" suggests that Spino absolutely crushed creatures like Sarchosuchus, Rugops, Carcharodontosaurus, and Paralititan. How much harder is T rex? Oh my... did you really just... if you are going to use Monsters Resurrected as a source I suggest you just leave this topic... that documentary was so horribly wrong and fanboyish. |
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