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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 6, 2014 23:36:54 GMT
Siats: 12 metres in length and 5+ tons. How far can it get in this gauntlet of fights? Siats VS Suchomimus Suchomimus: 11 metres in length and ~4 tons (as an immature specimen) Siats VS Edmontosaurus Edmontosaurus: 12 metres in length and ~6 tons Siats VS Tarbosaurus Tarbosaurus (upper range): 11 metres in length and 4+ tons Siats VS Epanterias Epanterias: 12 metres in length and 5-5.5 tons Siats VS Styracosaurus Styracosaurus: 6 metres in length and 3 tons Siats VS Spinophorosaurus Spinophorosaurus: 13+ metres in length and 7 tons? Siats VS Acrocanthosaurus Acrocanthosaurus: 11.5 metres in length and 5+ tons Siats VS Triceratops Triceratops: 6 metres in length and 4 tons in weight
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Post by es1001 on Jan 7, 2014 1:14:50 GMT
Siats would get through most of these guys, but I can see Epanterias, Tarbosaurus, Acrocanthosaurus and Triceratops putting up a good fight. He should win against Epanterias, because of his slightly bigger size. Same with Tarbosaurus. With some luck, he could get to fight 7. Not much further though. Acrocanthosaurus and Triceratops are a problem. I don't see him going past fight seven at all.
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jan 7, 2014 1:34:42 GMT
imo, it would stop at acro.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 7, 2014 19:30:30 GMT
Let's see: Round 1: Siats wins, however if we use the adult Suchomimus it would probably win; There is no information on Spinosaurid growth rate however, so we'll just use the immature specimen. Round 2: Edmontosaurus is not much bigger, plus it does not have enough weaponry. Round 3: Tarbosaurus is like 20% smaller, it can possibly win. 50/50 but if anything Siats wins Round 4: Both are like the same size basically, Epanterias doesn't have one of the strongest bites for its size. Neither of them can use their arms properly, so I am going with the possibly stronger bite here. Round 5: I can see Siats winning here, however it is quite close. Siats can't outflank Styracosaurus due to the fact Ceratopsians have very little rotational inertia, as a result of their compact bodies. Its wide-gauge front limbs are also not letting Siats outflank it. I can still see Siats handling Styracosaurus though, also Styracosaurus is ~2 tons not 3. Round 6: Spinophorosaurus is like 8-10 tons, although I have seen posts on Carnivora of it being 12-13 tons. However, they were 2012 posts, which I am not considering that much since they usually do not use the same ideas they used back then. Source for this image: svpow.com/category/spinophorosaurus/Based on other Megaraptorans and Neovenatorids, Siats, at 12 metres, is capable of reaching the neck. It can win here, as well as with the fact that Spinophorosaurus can't do much more here other than blunt trauma. Round 7: At 11.5 metres, Acrocanthosaurus weighs ~5.5 tonnes. The lower jaw seems well able of implying greater forces on object, unlike the rather weak jaw of Carnotaurus, which looks like this: So, now that we saw a jaw that implies a small amount of force, we can see that the angular and the surangular are very thin, unlike that of Acrocanthosaurus, which resembles that of T. rex, which has a stronger bite: The angular and the surangular have similar shapes to that of Acrocanthosaurus. There is a difference, however; The skull robustoness. T. rex has a much more robustly built skull, as the pictures above show. Still, Acrocanthosaurus has a jaw that seems to be at the middle of those two, which means it has a regular bite. The point here is, Acrocanthosaurus' angular and surangular are very similar in shape to that of T. rex, side view-wise. However, from the top, T. rex shows a different skull, a much more robust one. You may think, what does T. rex and Carnotaurus have to do with this? They are being used to compare biteforces, I am aware that this looks a bit awkward and may not be interpreted properly. I gotta admit it, this is a bit pointless... But it already serves to show the jaw of Acrocanthosaurus compared to a jaw that delivers a weak biteforce, and another one with a strong biteforce. Since neither Acrocanthosaurus or Siats can use arms properly in a fight between the two, they'll rely on biteforce; Acrocanthosaurus might as well rely on its possible stronger biteforce. I am giving an edge to Acrocanthosaurus here. Stops it.Round 8: How is a Ceratopsian 6 metres and 4 tonnes? Styracosaurus and Triceratops are pretty similar in bulk (correct me if I am wrong, but it seems very like it), wouldn't they be at a similar mass at the same length? At max sizes, Triceratops is more like 7-8 metres. Anyway, Triceratops wins due to much superior weaponry.
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jan 7, 2014 23:10:33 GMT
i also didn't notice........ triceratops only 6 m and 4 tons? are you fucking serious?
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 8, 2014 9:18:50 GMT
Mecha, stop using your own figures. Use actual estimates not what you think is right.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 8, 2014 15:26:43 GMT
Mecha you really do fabricate a lot of estimates, even more when doing it would favour the dinosaur that you probably want to win. You also make pointless weight additions like you did to the Baryonyx type specimen, making it 100kg larger. What is the point, and what are your sources? You do realise that the matches where you are adding 100kg to the dinosaur you want to win, 100kg don't really help it, right?
The 6 metre long 4 ton Triceratops sounds ridiculous, that would mean it is twice the mass of a normal 6 metre long Ceratopsian. Triceratops is not twice the bulk of Albertaceratops, Mecha.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 8, 2014 15:42:55 GMT
Also, wouldn't a 12 metre long Edmontosaurus be more like in between 8 and 9 tons? It clearly shows this:
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 8, 2014 16:00:17 GMT
Mecha you really do fabricate a lot of estimates, even more when doing it would favour the dinosaur that you probably want to win. You also make pointless weight additions like you did to the Baryonyx type specimen, making it 100kg larger. What is the point, and what are your sources? You do realise that the matches where you are adding 100kg to the dinosaur you want to win, 100kg don't really help it, right? The 6 metre long 4 ton Triceratops sounds ridiculous, that would mean it is twice the mass of a normal 6 metre long Ceratopsian. Triceratops is not twice the bulk of Albertaceratops, Mecha. Spinodontosaurus (on Allosaurus VS Baryonyx thread carnivora) has stated that the immature 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was 2.6 tons. You were saying that a 10 metre Baryonyx would weigh 2.5 tons, which is impossible. I know 100kg is a small difference, but I was just pointing that out. I did not mention Allosaurus in that particular statement on the thread. I actually thought Albertaceratops was 3 tons, so my 'fabricated estimate' of a 4 ton Triceratops would not be twice as bulky at parity. Also I am a fucking idiot when it comes to dinosaur sizes.
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 8, 2014 16:17:44 GMT
Edmontosaurus is 7.5 tons according to better estimates. Don't believe that shit 4 ton estimate.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 8, 2014 17:21:59 GMT
Mecha you really do fabricate a lot of estimates, even more when doing it would favour the dinosaur that you probably want to win. You also make pointless weight additions like you did to the Baryonyx type specimen, making it 100kg larger. What is the point, and what are your sources? You do realise that the matches where you are adding 100kg to the dinosaur you want to win, 100kg don't really help it, right? The 6 metre long 4 ton Triceratops sounds ridiculous, that would mean it is twice the mass of a normal 6 metre long Ceratopsian. Triceratops is not twice the bulk of Albertaceratops, Mecha. Spinodontosaurus (on Allosaurus VS Baryonyx thread carnivora) has stated that the immature 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was 2.6 tons. You were saying that a 10 metre Baryonyx would weigh 2.5 tons, which is impossible. I know 100kg is a small difference, but I was just pointing that out. I did not mention Allosaurus in that particular statement on the thread. I actually thought Albertaceratops was 3 tons, so my 'fabricated estimate' of a 4 ton Triceratops would not be twice as bulky at parity. Also I am a fucking idiot when it comes to dinosaur sizes. It is not really impossible, if it was not very bulky it could be 2.5 tons at 10 metres, which is only 500kg smaller than most 10 metre theropods. It's just unlikely. Albertaceratops is more like ~2 tonnes. Even if it was 3 tonnes however, Triceratops was not that much bulkier (if there's even a difference actually) to the point it would be 1.33 times larger. And no, you are not. You just get some sizes wrong sometimes but your estimates are usually pretty good, getting the sizes wrong is pretty normal.
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jan 8, 2014 21:39:45 GMT
and since when was triceratops only 6 m long?
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 8, 2014 21:58:03 GMT
Spinodontosaurus (on Allosaurus VS Baryonyx thread carnivora) has stated that the immature 9.5 metre long Baryonyx specimen was 2.6 tons. You were saying that a 10 metre Baryonyx would weigh 2.5 tons, which is impossible. I know 100kg is a small difference, but I was just pointing that out. I did not mention Allosaurus in that particular statement on the thread. I actually thought Albertaceratops was 3 tons, so my 'fabricated estimate' of a 4 ton Triceratops would not be twice as bulky at parity. Also I am a fucking idiot when it comes to dinosaur sizes. It is not really impossible, if it was not very bulky it could be 2.5 tons at 10 metres, which is only 500kg smaller than most 10 metre theropods. It's just unlikely. Albertaceratops is more like ~2 tonnes. Even if it was 3 tonnes however, Triceratops was not that much bulkier (if there's even a difference actually) to the point it would be 1.33 times larger. And no, you are not. You just get some sizes wrong sometimes but your estimates are usually pretty good, getting the sizes wrong is pretty normal. Ok. Thanks.
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 8, 2014 22:18:20 GMT
and since when was triceratops only 6 m long? I heard it got downsized recently, but I guess I exaggerated it a bit too much.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 9, 2014 12:01:55 GMT
and since when was triceratops only 6 m long? I heard it got downsized recently, but I guess I exaggerated it a bit too much. It's like 7-8 metres now
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