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Post by Theropod on Jan 3, 2014 11:39:50 GMT
Why do you people keep mindlessly speculating? We know jack shit of the size of an adult irritator also the spinosaur probably has a bite in the same range as carnotaurus. Neovenator or the allosaurus would stop it. Estimate Factory |
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 3, 2014 22:25:14 GMT
Its not an estimate, its baseless speculation. An estimate is when you have actual evidence to back it up
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Post by Theropod on Jan 5, 2014 15:59:22 GMT
But he is basically using it as an estimate because "the 9.5 metre Baryonyx was immature", even though we don't have a base for Baryonyx's size at adulthood.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 5, 2014 16:02:18 GMT
Using the immature Irritator specimen, Carnotaurus does not get stopped by it. A. europaeus is not 2.3 tons at 8.5 metres, if anything it is inferior to 2 tons at that length. I would say it's 50/50 since both have weak biteforces and Carnotaurus probably used the hatcher bite as well. Carnotaurus has a small size advantage, but it's not helping here. It probably stops at either 4 or 5.
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 5, 2014 16:10:24 GMT
Using the immature Irritator specimen, Carnotaurus does not get stopped by it. A. europaeus is not 2.3 tons at 8.5 metres, if anything it is inferior to 2 tons at that length. I would say it's 50/50 since both have weak biteforces and Carnotaurus probably used the hatcher bite as well. Carnotaurus has a small size advantage, but it's not helping here. It probably stops at either 4 or 5. Remember that Allosauurs vs Baryonyx size comparison Spinodontosaurus made? That allosaurus was 2.4 tons and was 8.6 metres I think so its pretty accurate. Allosaurus also doesn't have a weak bite force and its weaponry is far superior with large and powerful forelimbs and slicing teeth which doesn't require a strong bite. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 5, 2014 16:23:10 GMT
Using the immature Irritator specimen, Carnotaurus does not get stopped by it. A. europaeus is not 2.3 tons at 8.5 metres, if anything it is inferior to 2 tons at that length. I would say it's 50/50 since both have weak biteforces and Carnotaurus probably used the hatcher bite as well. Carnotaurus has a small size advantage, but it's not helping here. It probably stops at either 4 or 5. Remember that Allosauurs vs Baryonyx size comparison Spinodontosaurus made? That allosaurus was 2.4 tons and was 8.6 metres I think so its pretty accurate. Allosaurus also doesn't have a weak bite force and its weaponry is far superior with large and powerful forelimbs and slicing teeth which doesn't require a strong bite. No the Allosaurus was more like 2.4 tons and 9 metres. And A. europeaus is more like 2 tons at 8.5 metres. Allosaurus europeaus would most likely have the advantage against Carnotaurus. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 5, 2014 16:25:19 GMT
Using the immature Irritator specimen, Carnotaurus does not get stopped by it. A. europaeus is not 2.3 tons at 8.5 metres, if anything it is inferior to 2 tons at that length. I would say it's 50/50 since both have weak biteforces and Carnotaurus probably used the hatcher bite as well. Carnotaurus has a small size advantage, but it's not helping here. It probably stops at either 4 or 5. Remember that Allosauurs vs Baryonyx size comparison Spinodontosaurus made? That allosaurus was 2.4 tons and was 8.6 metres I think so its pretty accurate. Allosaurus also doesn't have a weak bite force and its weaponry is far superior with large and powerful forelimbs and slicing teeth which doesn't require a strong bite. It does have a weak bite compared to other theropods, since its biteforce converted to kg is about 1/4 of its total weight. All in all, it's not weak, but it is weak for a large theropod. |
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jan 5, 2014 16:39:22 GMT
Remember that Allosauurs vs Baryonyx size comparison Spinodontosaurus made? That allosaurus was 2.4 tons and was 8.6 metres I think so its pretty accurate. Allosaurus also doesn't have a weak bite force and its weaponry is far superior with large and powerful forelimbs and slicing teeth which doesn't require a strong bite. It does have a weak bite compared to other theropods, since its biteforce converted to kg is about 1/4 of its total weight. All in all, it's not weak, but it is weak for a large theropod. bite force isn't everything. allosaurus might not have such a strong bite compared to other theropods, but it has bladelike serrated teeth that can easily tear through flesh and cause blood loss, it relied on slicing which doesn't require a powerful bite force. carnotaurus might have the hatchet bite like allosaurus, but if anything it would definitely be a much weaker hatchet bite than allosaurus's, due to its much weaker skull. and it doesn't really have the slashing teeth like allosaurus does. allosaurus would destroy a carnotaurus of same size. even a slight size advantage won't help carno. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 5, 2014 16:48:48 GMT
It does have a weak bite compared to other theropods, since its biteforce converted to kg is about 1/4 of its total weight. All in all, it's not weak, but it is weak for a large theropod. bite force isn't everything. allosaurus might not have such a strong bite compared to other theropods, but it has bladelike serrated teeth that can easily tear through flesh and cause blood loss, it relied on slicing which doesn't require a powerful bite force. carnotaurus might have the hatchet bite like allosaurus, but if anything it would definitely be a much weaker hatchet bite than allosaurus's, due to its much weaker skull. and it doesn't really have the slashing teeth like allosaurus does. allosaurus would destroy a carnotaurus of same size. even a slight size advantage won't help carno. Biteforce is still important. It implies an amazing effect into a theropod fight, it's by far the most reliable weapon a theropod can use. Theropods have more agile figures than groups like the Ceratopsia, and a higher jaw power is just much more effective since it is more well used than anything else by theropods. Since both have weak bites for large-sized theropods, I don't see any advantage they can have over eachother but size. I have quickly changed my mind about Allosaurus' weight on this, as they have explained above. Allosaurus has the arm advantage though, if they find eachother in a favourable position, Allosaurus can cause some blood loss with its claws. But since both of their main weapons are rather weak for their size, this is not where I would say one of them gets "destroyed" by the other fighter. |
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Post by Allosaurus Rex on Jan 5, 2014 16:57:10 GMT
so having a bite force low compared to other predators would rather make its bite less effective? so a komodo dragon's bite isn't that deadly (it has a weak bite force)?
and allosaurus would still have a much stronger bite than carnotaurus. and its bite can cause a huge amount of blood loss unlike carno's. and crushing isn't the only kind of bite that is important.
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 5, 2014 17:02:30 GMT
Remember that Allosauurs vs Baryonyx size comparison Spinodontosaurus made? That allosaurus was 2.4 tons and was 8.6 metres I think so its pretty accurate. Allosaurus also doesn't have a weak bite force and its weaponry is far superior with large and powerful forelimbs and slicing teeth which doesn't require a strong bite. No the Allosaurus was more like 2.4 tons and 9 metres. And A. europeaus is more like 2 tons at 8.5 metres. Allosaurus europeaus would most likely have the advantage against Carnotaurus. ffs its the actual size of the specimen not what you think is the actual size. But I do agree that the allosaur would have the advantage |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 5, 2014 17:08:31 GMT
No the Allosaurus was more like 2.4 tons and 9 metres. And A. europeaus is more like 2 tons at 8.5 metres. Allosaurus europeaus would most likely have the advantage against Carnotaurus. ffs its the actual size of the specimen not what you think is the actual size. But I do agree that the allosaur would have the advantage Since when was it 8.6 metres in length, 'ffs'? |
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 5, 2014 17:20:03 GMT
ffs its the actual size of the specimen not what you think is the actual size. But I do agree that the allosaur would have the advantage Since when was it 8.6 metres in length, 'ffs'? It was actually 8.8 metres  |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 5, 2014 17:27:07 GMT
so having a bite force low compared to other predators would rather make its bite less effective? so a komodo dragon's bite isn't that deadly (it has a weak bite force)? and allosaurus would still have a much stronger bite than carnotaurus. and its bite can cause a huge amount of blood loss unlike carno's. and crushing isn't the only kind of bite that is important. I have no idea why you are even bringing the Komodo Dragon to this since it does not use only biteforce itself but venom as well, and bringing venom to the two dinosaurs would be very speculative. Carnotaurus' biteforce wouldn't be much under Allosaurus' ~500kg of biteforce. And when did I mention crushing? |
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