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Post by spinosaurus1 on Dec 8, 2014 0:24:09 GMT
if storms are such huge deciding factors, i wonder how crocodiles accomplish such tasks. hell, there are trained swimmers such as penny palfrey who crossed greater expansion of modern ocean then the entire distance of this prehistoric one. i wonder why she didn't get sucked down into a whirl pool or get stuck in a storm. i don't think something as variable as a storm is going to be consistant enough.
because mosasaurs aren't always hungry and don't have their minds consumed with hunting and killing 24/7? these are animals, not mindless killing machines. and who knows, why would a mosasuar even look at an animal almost as big as itself as a prey item anyway? no evidence is given that they commonly do it. why is that assertion extremely likely to happen?
as i said, don't accept it then. by far, i haven't seen any paleontologist even attempt to get on the subject of oxalia thus far due to the scarcity of bones. so no. oxalia may be commonly viewed as a separate taxa, but it is not known for sure.
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Post by Theropod on Dec 8, 2014 14:43:25 GMT
Maybe because there isn't too much to prey on a crocodile? Many more mosasaurs and other larger aquatic predators are known from that time period.
Pretty much every predator will attack if it needs food, or perceives another animal as a threat. I don't think it's too unlikely to come across a mosasaur prone to attacking during the time it would take to cross it. It is extremely likely to happen because there is a large amount of time it spends in an environment with predators capable of killing it, if you do the math, it is actually more likely than it not happening.
And still, most paleontologists still see it as its own species rather than analogous with Spinosaurus aegyptiacus.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Dec 8, 2014 15:59:03 GMT
"COUGH" SHARKS "COUGH"
but not every predator is not willing to go after prey as big as themselves. it's common since that a predator would more likly go after smaller, easier, more recognisable prey items then those that aproach it's own size. and you seem to forget that their are sharks intersepting the areas the crocodiles swam in such as tiger sharks and bull sharks. we even have evidence of ancient sharks being able to predate on mosasaurs. the reason that mosasaurs don't target spinosaurs can be the very same reason as why sharks don't target crocodiles. they do not veiw it as a potential food source or does not veiw it as a prey item that worths it.
and as i said, it is commenly veiwed as that, but its not certain due to this new possability.
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Post by Theropod on Dec 8, 2014 18:28:35 GMT
"Maybe because there isn't too much to prey on a crocodile? Many more mosasaurs and other larger aquatic predators are known from that time period."Yet, it's commonly seen around the world. The point is, it will likely happen. It's exposed to many predators, not just sharks, and it is not fully aquatic.No, I do not. Again, the number of larger sea predators was actually larger back then.Crocodiles are, despite being fully-aquatic as well, closer to a fully-aquatic creature than Spinosaurus aegyptiacus, so that, along with there being more large predatory species, makes it less likely to travel from Africa to South America.Well, you had argued that paleontologists do consider the hypothesis, even though it is mostly not considered between them.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Dec 8, 2014 22:14:13 GMT
how do you know that? mosasurs weren't even the dominant predators at this time. their in direct compatition with sharks and other predators like them. and just to let you know, mosasaurs weren't even large until 80 million years ago. no mosasaur found thus far is considered large enough to rival spinosaurus 98-97 million years ago. they only became the large and dominant during the last 20 million years. so your statement on mosasaurs being a limited factor is fallacios no, the point is despite this occurrence, they survive. predation alone is not the only factor to assert that an animal that does have the capabilities for aquatic travel. and aparently, mosasaurs were not large enough to do this at this time and few were large enough to consider spinosaurus a potential or essential prey item elongated body, short legs, a long, powerful tail. all the means where both spinosaurus and a crocodile are very similar. heck, even the leg length to body size ratio seem similar. seems that it could have the adaption to swim a SMALL ocean semi aquatic yeah, because its a hypothosis that challenges the original idea, and it makes since. obvously needs more evidence but it is a possibility. the reason why is directly due to the lack of fossil finds for oxalia, dispite the fact that it alone is already so close in morphalogy to spinosaurus tht it raises some eyebrows.
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Post by Theropod on Dec 8, 2014 22:59:55 GMT
It's not just about their size, as I said, we must also consider the fact that were more predatory species, and I'm certain they were mostly larger than your average marine predator, as we don't really have that many large predators nowadays. It doesn't even need to be a colossus, like, for example, the Jurassic World one.I think you're missing the fact that a fully-aquatic creature will fare better against a semi-aquatic creature in the water, because it is fully adapted to that environment. Plus, since water is more dense than air, an average aquatic creature actually does need usually stronger muscles, making a bit up for the size disadvantage.I guess you didn't notice any other anatomical differences, or did you?The problem with claiming them as a single species is that they're specialised animals, so they don't have a very wide variety when it comes to skull morphology.
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Dec 9, 2014 0:00:59 GMT
what? the thing that makes this point fallacious is that although there are a lager quantity of predators at this time period, the majority are SMALLER then spinosaurus, including the mosasaur species at the time. therefore it is alot less likely for them to attack spinosaurus due to it's greater size. if spinosaurus does partake in oceanic travel, i think a it can survive crossing a small ocean without worrying about alot of predators targeting it, being that it's larger.
i'm sorry, but your mistaken. fully aquatic animals are not stronger comparatively then semiaquatic animals. their denser but the overall muscleature might even go to the semiaquatic animals advantage. being that it can support its weight on land which has a greater gravitational pull then the water. why else do you see a crocodile walking on land and a beached whale dying on the beach? a fully aquatic animal doesn't have the strength to move with it's weight, while a semiaquatic one can. i'm not missing anything. let me ask you, why would a smaller, fully aquatic animal attack a larger, unrecognizable organism when it could go on it's way and predate on it's usual diet? the mosasaurs at this time were not the top predators and have not shown any evidence of taking animals it's size or larger. for all we know, mosasaurs at this time could be primarily piscovores. their getting killed by sharks smaller then they are. i'm sorry, but assuming that is a common behavior for a mosasaur at this time is no more then a assumption with little to no evidence. so i'm gonna just say that i'm not buying it
you feel free to do so. despite the sail ( and given how thin it is from the frontal view, i'm not considering is a major hydrodynamic disadvantage), they are very similar. even the isotope ration of the bones of spinosaur and crocodilians are identical. and crocodilians are proven to be able to accomplish oceanic travel
this is no longer known for certain due to this new proposal. it's a POSSIBILITY. this new proposal is a POSSIBILITY. both explain why oxalia looks so similar to spinosaurus,and both have some sort of evidence to support it. i'm being open minded to both ideas. so i don't see the POSSIBILITY you brought up is the one and only one. it what you must be intending, being that you keep quoting this question.
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Post by Carnage on Dec 17, 2014 18:23:42 GMT
If Theropod is right, Daspletosaurus wins. If spinosaurus1 is right, then it's the other way around
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Post by spinosaurus1 on Dec 20, 2014 3:04:34 GMT
just felt like being an asshole for a moment. theropod, hears the big bad fully aquatic predator that coexisted with spinosaurus and oxalia. look at the evil glint in it's eye. it could probably take out a megalodon if it wasn't for the dang meteor.
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Dec 20, 2014 3:48:56 GMT
Yep, that is the face of hell. It even has such long fangs and a very agile build.
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Post by Rexog on Dec 22, 2014 0:07:44 GMT
That made me laugh! But, even if there were large aquatic predators in this tiny ocean at this time, they would avoid attacking a big animal like spinosaurus. If it so well adapted to semi-aquatic life as we think , even if it was not so agile as a mosasaurus, it would be a more than reasonable challenge. Today, you can see that predators avoid other predators in 90% of the time at least.
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Post by AdianPC on Mar 13, 2015 19:28:58 GMT
Oxalaia wins
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Post by parasaurolophus on Mar 15, 2015 1:29:04 GMT
Well I think Oxalaia takes this.
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Post by Vince on Dec 2, 2016 13:50:20 GMT
Oxalaia has a sail which is a major weakness.But since it had very long crocodile-like jaws and long arms with claws it could be a formidable opponent.But if its sail was bitten by the Daspletosaurus's powerful jaws, it could be weaken.
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Post by Vince on Dec 2, 2016 14:05:48 GMT
Oxalia has a sail on its back,a major weakness.But since oxalaia has long crocodile like jaws and long arms with claws it could be a formidable opponent.But if Daspletosaurus bites oxalaia's sail with its powerful jaws,oxalaia will be weakened.
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