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Post by Theropod on Jan 21, 2014 11:52:06 GMT
Actually saying that Spinosaurus could win 85% of the time sounds rather exaggerated. Remember that smaller predators can also kill larger predators, I am not saying T. rex wins most of the time, but 85% in favour of S. aegyptiacus is an exaggeration. Many predators can win against even larger predators if their weaponry is favoured against the foe's size, although the square cube law has its effects on size advantage of smaller animals.
I would say 60-70% in favour of Spinosaurus, 85% sounds very exaggerated.
PS.: Taking into consideration the 16 metre, 13 ton estimate for Spinosaurus, I have scaled Spinosaurus down isometrically, and got ~10.7 tonnes instead of ~11 tonnes.
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 21, 2014 12:56:52 GMT
Actually saying that Spinosaurus could win 85% of the time sounds rather exaggerated. Remember that smaller predators can also kill larger predators, I am not saying T. rex wins most of the time, but 85% in favour of S. aegyptiacus is an exaggeration. Many predators can win against even larger predators if their weaponry is favoured against the foe's size, although the square cube law has its effects on size advantage of smaller animals. I would say 60-70% in favour of Spinosaurus, 85% sounds very exaggerated. PS.: Taking into consideration the 16 metre, 13 ton estimate for Spinosaurus, I have scaled Spinosaurus down isometrically, and got ~10.7 tonnes instead of ~11 tonnes. Well considering you can round it up to 11 tons also that's only 15 metres not anything in between(e.g. 15.5, 15.7 ext). Also this size advantage is ridiculous its more than 60% larger than the T. rex. Not only that Spinosaurus's size gives it more effective weaponry as its bite force is extremely powerful and its arms and claws are extremely large and powerful. So I wouldn't say its a exageration |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 21, 2014 13:54:44 GMT
Actually saying that Spinosaurus could win 85% of the time sounds rather exaggerated. Remember that smaller predators can also kill larger predators, I am not saying T. rex wins most of the time, but 85% in favour of S. aegyptiacus is an exaggeration. Many predators can win against even larger predators if their weaponry is favoured against the foe's size, although the square cube law has its effects on size advantage of smaller animals. I would say 60-70% in favour of Spinosaurus, 85% sounds very exaggerated. PS.: Taking into consideration the 16 metre, 13 ton estimate for Spinosaurus, I have scaled Spinosaurus down isometrically, and got ~10.7 tonnes instead of ~11 tonnes. Well considering you can round it up to 11 tons also that's only 15 metres not anything in between(e.g. 15.5, 15.7 ext). Also this size advantage is ridiculous its more than 60% larger than the T. rex. Not only that Spinosaurus's size gives it more effective weaponry as its bite force is extremely powerful and its arms and claws are extremely large and powerful. So I wouldn't say its a exageration I find it quite an exageration, considering FMNH PR2081 is also tall enough to reach the neck. Spinosaurus won't hit the T. rex that easily with its arms if it tries to get the neck, but still I am just saying. Spinosaurus wins more often than not, but its neck is one of the easiest places to bite, although I won't say that would kill it since an Edmontosaurus survived a T. rex bite to the skull. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 22, 2014 20:12:35 GMT
Well considering you can round it up to 11 tons also that's only 15 metres not anything in between(e.g. 15.5, 15.7 ext). Also this size advantage is ridiculous its more than 60% larger than the T. rex. Not only that Spinosaurus's size gives it more effective weaponry as its bite force is extremely powerful and its arms and claws are extremely large and powerful. So I wouldn't say its a exageration I find it quite an exageration, considering FMNH PR2081 is also tall enough to reach the neck. Spinosaurus won't hit the T. rex that easily with its arms if it tries to get the neck, but still I am just saying. Spinosaurus wins more often than not, but its neck is one of the easiest places to bite, although I won't say that would kill it since an Edmontosaurus survived a T. rex bite to the skull. (I know the diagram is rather small) FMNH PR2081 isn't really tall enough to reach Spinosaurus' neck. Spinosaurus also had a bite force of around 2.5-3 tons when scaled up with Irritator. Tyrannosaurus' bite force was around 4+ tons as far as I'm aware. The smaller gape of Tyrannosaurus' bite is gonna be a disadvantage here. Spinosaurus would win around 80% of the time, it is not an exaggeration imo. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 22, 2014 20:14:36 GMT
Well considering you can round it up to 11 tons also that's only 15 metres not anything in between(e.g. 15.5, 15.7 ext). Also this size advantage is ridiculous its more than 60% larger than the T. rex. Not only that Spinosaurus's size gives it more effective weaponry as its bite force is extremely powerful and its arms and claws are extremely large and powerful. So I wouldn't say its a exageration I find it quite an exageration, considering FMNH PR2081 is also tall enough to reach the neck. Spinosaurus won't hit the T. rex that easily with its arms if it tries to get the neck, but still I am just saying. Spinosaurus wins more often than not, but its neck is one of the easiest places to bite, although I won't say that would kill it since an Edmontosaurus survived a T. rex bite to the skull.  (I know the diagram is rather small) FMNH PR2081 isn't really tall enough to reach Spinosaurus' neck. Spinosaurus also had a bite force of around 2.5-3 tons when scaled up with Irritator. Tyrannosaurus' bite force was around 4+ tons as far as I'm aware. The smaller gape of Tyrannosaurus' bite is gonna be a disadvantage here. Spinosaurus would win around 80% of the time, it is not an exaggeration imo. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 22, 2014 20:37:58 GMT
I find it quite an exageration, considering FMNH PR2081 is also tall enough to reach the neck. Spinosaurus won't hit the T. rex that easily with its arms if it tries to get the neck, but still I am just saying. Spinosaurus wins more often than not, but its neck is one of the easiest places to bite, although I won't say that would kill it since an Edmontosaurus survived a T. rex bite to the skull. (I know the diagram is rather small) FMNH PR2081 isn't really tall enough to reach Spinosaurus' neck. Spinosaurus also had a bite force of around 2.5-3 tons when scaled up with Irritator. Tyrannosaurus' bite force was around 4+ tons as far as I'm aware. The smaller gape of Tyrannosaurus' bite is gonna be a disadvantage here. Spinosaurus would win around 80% of the time, it is not an exaggeration imo. 1. Please show me a source for that bite estimate 2. Many people on Carnivora say 6 tons for T. rex's biteforce 3. Both of Hartman's Tyrannosaurus (FMNH PR2081) and Spinosaurus skeletals have one metre scale bars, use those images yourslf to scale them some way and you'll see that FMNH PR2081 is tall enough 4. FMNH PR2081 can reach the neck on that comparison 5. 80% is rather exaggerated considering smaller animals can kill larger animals as well, I wouldn't be that sure of giving it 80% in favour of Spinosaurus. 60-70% in favour of the spinosaurid sounds more likely. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 22, 2014 20:45:37 GMT
(I know the diagram is rather small) FMNH PR2081 isn't really tall enough to reach Spinosaurus' neck. Spinosaurus also had a bite force of around 2.5-3 tons when scaled up with Irritator. Tyrannosaurus' bite force was around 4+ tons as far as I'm aware. The smaller gape of Tyrannosaurus' bite is gonna be a disadvantage here. Spinosaurus would win around 80% of the time, it is not an exaggeration imo. 1. Please show me a source for that bite estimate 2. Many people on Carnivora say 6 tons for T. rex's biteforce 3. Both of Hartman's Tyrannosaurus (FMNH PR2081) and Spinosaurus skeletals have one metre scale bars, use those images yourslf to scale them some way and you'll see that FMNH PR2081 is tall enough 4. FMNH PR2081 can reach the neck on that comparison 5. 80% is rather exaggerated considering smaller animals can kill larger animals as well, I wouldn't be that sure of giving it 80% in favour of Spinosaurus. 60-70% in favour of the spinosaurid sounds more likely. 1. When scaled up with a 2 ton Irritator with a bite force of around 400kg, a 13 ton Spinosaurus will have a bite force of around 2.5-3 tons. 2. Note that I stated 4+ tons, not below or necessarily equal to 4 tons. 3/4. Tyrannosaurus is barely tall enough to reach Spinosaurus' neck in that diagram. 5. I would still go with 80% in favour of Spinosaurus, since Spinosaurus is over 60% larger than Tyrannosaurus. This is truly a massive advantage for Spinosaurus. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 22, 2014 20:51:52 GMT
1. Please show me a source for that bite estimate 2. Many people on Carnivora say 6 tons for T. rex's biteforce 3. Both of Hartman's Tyrannosaurus (FMNH PR2081) and Spinosaurus skeletals have one metre scale bars, use those images yourslf to scale them some way and you'll see that FMNH PR2081 is tall enough 4. FMNH PR2081 can reach the neck on that comparison 5. 80% is rather exaggerated considering smaller animals can kill larger animals as well, I wouldn't be that sure of giving it 80% in favour of Spinosaurus. 60-70% in favour of the spinosaurid sounds more likely. 1. When scaled up with a 2 ton Irritator with a bite force of around 400kg, a 13 ton Spinosaurus will have a bite force of around 2.5-3 tons. 2. Note that I stated 4+ tons, not below or necessarily equal to 4 tons. 3/4. Tyrannosaurus is barely tall enough to reach Spinosaurus' neck in that diagram. 5. I would still go with 80% in favour of Spinosaurus, since Spinosaurus is over 60% larger than Tyrannosaurus. This is truly a massive advantage for Spinosaurus. 1. I asked for a source... 2. No one can predict the exact number you meant by 4+, not to mention how you said yourself when you use "+" is usually a few hundred kilograms above that number 3. Yes it can, its dorsal and cervical vertebrae allow it to reach the neck. Also just do what I say get his FMNH PR2081 skeletal and his Spinosaurus skeletal which both have 1m scale bars and scale them so both bars are the same size. 5. And? I am not denying the fact that it is a massive size advantage because it actually is, but still, smaller predators have killed larger predators so 80% is a bit over the top. Also that is just around your own opinion with no examples. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 22, 2014 21:44:26 GMT
1. When scaled up with a 2 ton Irritator with a bite force of around 400kg, a 13 ton Spinosaurus will have a bite force of around 2.5-3 tons. 2. Note that I stated 4+ tons, not below or necessarily equal to 4 tons. 3/4. Tyrannosaurus is barely tall enough to reach Spinosaurus' neck in that diagram. 5. I would still go with 80% in favour of Spinosaurus, since Spinosaurus is over 60% larger than Tyrannosaurus. This is truly a massive advantage for Spinosaurus. 1. I asked for a source... 2. No one can predict the exact number you meant by 4+, not to mention how you said yourself when you use "+" is usually a few hundred kilograms above that number 3. Yes it can, its dorsal and cervical vertebrae allow it to reach the neck. Also just do what I say get his FMNH PR2081 skeletal and his Spinosaurus skeletal which both have 1m scale bars and scale them so both bars are the same size. 5. And? I am not denying the fact that it is a massive size advantage because it actually is, but still, smaller predators have killed larger predators so 80% is a bit over the top. Also that is just around your own opinion with no examples. 1. I was using calculation and scaling to estimate Spinosaurus' bite force, I don't always need a source... 2. Keyword: usually. Not always. I do know I was unspecific when saying 4+ tons, but that is no major point in this discussion. 3. Keyword: barely. I don't necessarily mean it can't. Also Tyrannosaurus has a small bite gape, and this will be a disadvantage when fighting a larger and taller animal such as Spinosaurus. 4. I do have gimp, so I could try making a comparison tomorrow. 5. Smaller predators have killed larger predators... No one here is disputing that. Either way, Spinosaurus would win against Tyrannosaurus the majority of the time. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 22, 2014 21:51:12 GMT
1. I asked for a source... 2. No one can predict the exact number you meant by 4+, not to mention how you said yourself when you use "+" is usually a few hundred kilograms above that number 3. Yes it can, its dorsal and cervical vertebrae allow it to reach the neck. Also just do what I say get his FMNH PR2081 skeletal and his Spinosaurus skeletal which both have 1m scale bars and scale them so both bars are the same size. 5. And? I am not denying the fact that it is a massive size advantage because it actually is, but still, smaller predators have killed larger predators so 80% is a bit over the top. Also that is just around your own opinion with no examples. 1. I was using calculation and scaling to estimate Spinosaurus' bite force, I don't always need a source... 2. Keyword: usually. Not always. I do know I was unspecific when saying 4+ tons, but that is no major point in this discussion. 3. Keyword: barely. I don't necessarily mean it can't. Also Tyrannosaurus has a small bite gape, and this will be a disadvantage when fighting a larger and taller animal such as Spinosaurus. 4. I do have gimp, so I could try making a comparison tomorrow. 5. Smaller predators have killed larger predators... No one here is disputing that. Either way, Spinosaurus would win against Tyrannosaurus the majority of the time. 1. Except you are telling me an estimate for another dinosaur's biteforce that you used to scaled another's biteforce up without giving me a source for any of those what so ever, you are calculating without any base 2. Just use 6 tons for the time being 3. Its gape was probably enough to get a grip on the neck 4. Do so please 5. Except we are since you are backing up the larger one and giving the smaller one a ridiculous little amount of chances while it would win more often than that. It doesn't win more often than not but 20% is ridiculous. |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 22, 2014 22:13:23 GMT
1. I was using calculation and scaling to estimate Spinosaurus' bite force, I don't always need a source... 2. Keyword: usually. Not always. I do know I was unspecific when saying 4+ tons, but that is no major point in this discussion. 3. Keyword: barely. I don't necessarily mean it can't. Also Tyrannosaurus has a small bite gape, and this will be a disadvantage when fighting a larger and taller animal such as Spinosaurus. 4. I do have gimp, so I could try making a comparison tomorrow. 5. Smaller predators have killed larger predators... No one here is disputing that. Either way, Spinosaurus would win against Tyrannosaurus the majority of the time. 1. Except you are telling me an estimate for another dinosaur's biteforce that you used to scaled another's biteforce up without giving me a source for any of those what so ever, you are calculating without any base 2. Just use 6 tons for the time being 3. Its gape was probably enough to get a grip on the neck 4. Do so please 5. Except we are since you are backing up the larger one and giving the smaller one a ridiculous little amount of chances while it would win more often than that. It doesn't win more often than not but 20% is ridiculous. 1. You actually supported the ~3 ton estimates for Spinosaurus' bite force originally. 2. Yea. I said 4+ tons for Tyrannosaurus' bite force because I wasn't really sure originally. 3. Maybe, but if an adult Edmontosaurus survived a bite to the head from Tyrannosaurus, then Spinosaurus could easily survive a bite to the neck. 4. I will do so tomorrow. I am not very advanced with gimp, but I will try to make a comparison. 5. Spinosaurus would win 80% of the time against Tyrannosaurus imo, its size advantage is too great. Sporerex also appears to agree. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 22, 2014 22:27:02 GMT
1. Except you are telling me an estimate for another dinosaur's biteforce that you used to scaled another's biteforce up without giving me a source for any of those what so ever, you are calculating without any base 2. Just use 6 tons for the time being 3. Its gape was probably enough to get a grip on the neck 4. Do so please 5. Except we are since you are backing up the larger one and giving the smaller one a ridiculous little amount of chances while it would win more often than that. It doesn't win more often than not but 20% is ridiculous. 1. You actually supported the ~3 ton estimates for Spinosaurus' bite force originally. 2. Yea. I said 4+ tons for Tyrannosaurus' bite force because I wasn't really sure originally. 3. Maybe, but if an adult Edmontosaurus survived a bite to the head from Tyrannosaurus, then Spinosaurus could easily survive a bite to the neck. 4. I will do so tomorrow. I am not very advanced with gimp, but I will try to make a comparison. 5. Spinosaurus would win 80% of the time against Tyrannosaurus imo, its size advantage is too great. Sporerex also appears to agree. 1. Months ago, though. I won't beieve that unless a source is given, I find it likely but there is no evidence so I won't take it into consideration like if it was very precise. 2. K 3. Read my other post, I didn't say a bite to its neck would kill it. 4. You can make it with Pivot sprites 5. Once again that's opinion with no kind of example to even give a better idea of what to support |
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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 22, 2014 22:30:41 GMT
1. You actually supported the ~3 ton estimates for Spinosaurus' bite force originally. 2. Yea. I said 4+ tons for Tyrannosaurus' bite force because I wasn't really sure originally. 3. Maybe, but if an adult Edmontosaurus survived a bite to the head from Tyrannosaurus, then Spinosaurus could easily survive a bite to the neck. 4. I will do so tomorrow. I am not very advanced with gimp, but I will try to make a comparison. 5. Spinosaurus would win 80% of the time against Tyrannosaurus imo, its size advantage is too great. Sporerex also appears to agree. 1. Months ago, though. I won't beieve that unless a source is given, I find it likely but there is no evidence so I won't take it into consideration like if it was very precise. 2. K 3. Read my other post, I didn't say a bite to its neck would kill it. 4. You can make it with Pivot sprites 5. Once again that's opinion with no kind of example to even give a better idea of what to support 1-4. K 5. Spinosaurus will be able to knock Tyrannosaurus to the ground relatively easily, which would break many of Tyrannosaurus' bones (the ribcage in particular) and kill Tyrannosaurus. I believe this is the most likely scenario. |
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Post by Theropod on Jan 22, 2014 22:50:56 GMT
1. Months ago, though. I won't beieve that unless a source is given, I find it likely but there is no evidence so I won't take it into consideration like if it was very precise. 2. K 3. Read my other post, I didn't say a bite to its neck would kill it. 4. You can make it with Pivot sprites 5. Once again that's opinion with no kind of example to even give a better idea of what to support 1-4. K 5. Spinosaurus will be able to knock Tyrannosaurus to the ground relatively easily, which would break many of Tyrannosaurus' bones (the ribcage in particular) and kill Tyrannosaurus. I believe this is the most likely scenario. 5. Not that easily... |
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