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Post by joelho on Apr 7, 2016 18:07:27 GMT
For you, what is the function of the state in the society? First I want to see you answers.
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Post by Theropod on Apr 7, 2016 18:29:39 GMT
Its purpose should be simply to help people with their needs. What it is really doing - exploiting people.
I am a semi-anarchist, I do not see anarchy as the easiest way right now, and I believe we should come as close as possible to it. We need a huge reform of the system, we need a government that does not exploit us and simply helps us. Of course, this is even harder to achieve than anarchy itself, but with the way society is now anarchy would be hard as well. People don't know how to live without the government that exploits them massively.
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Post by joelho on Apr 7, 2016 19:17:20 GMT
Its purpose should be simply to help people with their needs. What it is really doing - exploiting people. I am a semi-anarchist, I do not see anarchy as the easiest way right now, and I believe we should come as close as possible to it. We need a huge reform of the system, we need a government that does not exploit us and simply helps us. Of course, this is even harder to achieve than anarchy itself, but with the way society is now anarchy would be hard as well. People don't know how to live without the government that exploits them massively. I think the people know how to live without the state. Look the history of the United States after Independence Day. The state this time was ridiculously small and the richest country of the world. Another thing to say, the state is unacceptable because he is violence, the minimium of him intervention is imoral and an attack to private property. Whatever the consequences. And yes, I am anarchist, haha.
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Post by Theropod on Apr 7, 2016 19:20:58 GMT
Its purpose should be simply to help people with their needs. What it is really doing - exploiting people. I am a semi-anarchist, I do not see anarchy as the easiest way right now, and I believe we should come as close as possible to it. We need a huge reform of the system, we need a government that does not exploit us and simply helps us. Of course, this is even harder to achieve than anarchy itself, but with the way society is now anarchy would be hard as well. People don't know how to live without the government that exploits them massively. I think the people know how to live without the state. Look the history of the United States after Independence Day. The state this time was ridiculously small and the richest country of the world. Another thing to say, the state is unacceptable because he is violence, the minimium of him intervention is imoral and an attack to private property. Whatever the consequences. And yes, I am anarchist, haha. Examples that happened so long ago don't work because we experience more propaganda now than ever before. If we are to abolish one state though, we must abolish all the others, as anarchy doesn't work with other states still existing.
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Post by joelho on Apr 7, 2016 19:48:46 GMT
Yes, I think we press a button now to abolish the state, tomorrow it will reappear again, because people are very accustomed with the idea that state need to sustain the society, but 98% don't know this organization is sustained for them with force and that only disrupts the peaceful interactions between people. We need to abolish the education centralization firstly. What do you think about?
Can you explain the last affirmation?
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Post by Theropod on Apr 7, 2016 19:50:29 GMT
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Post by joelho on Apr 7, 2016 20:11:22 GMT
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Post by Theropod on Apr 7, 2016 20:55:14 GMT
Reading that
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Apr 7, 2016 21:55:18 GMT
Yeah the school system sucks. You aren't allowed to make jokes, say things that aren't the school's adopted opinion, or learn anything interesting. Why the hell do I have to sit through an hour everyday of how to act on stage? What is this? I wanna be a paleontologist, not an actor.
And the worst part of all is the amount of stress I receive to maintain a passing grade. If you don't get B's or A's, you get ridiculed by the teachers and other students, and they do nothing to help you. They just slap an F on your desk and give you detention. I still have never gotten a B or lower on a report card, but it will happen sooner or later. And kids that clearly are poor, have family issues, mental disabilities, whatever, they get no help. They just get a grade slapped on their desk and if it's a bad one they are ruined forever.
We are taught to be zombies and that's pretty much it. The most important or interesting stuff from my lifetime has been found in books of my interest, on the internet, or from my parents. I usually forget what I learn in school about a month after I learn it, and then I'm expected to remember it at the end of the year.
TL;DR: School sucks.
I don't advocate anarchy, there needs to be government. But a government that actually cares about the people. But that is only in my little utopia that could ever happen. I suppose I like socialism the best.
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Post by Theropod on Apr 7, 2016 23:00:38 GMT
School tries to guess our career, it also kind of helps set the concept for the acceptable, realistic career options. It's useless for jobs, if I want a job I'll prove I can do what I need to. Take a course or something. And yes, it sucks that schools often don't want to hear your opinion. Perhaps because it might influence other students and convince them that they're wrong?
The grades part is unbeliveably true. "You don't do well at school, jokes on you!". Some schools even try to punish students for not doing well in school - my old school, for example, showed favoritism towards good students. Those who did well would be fine if they got one or two bad grades, but if a new student didn't start well they'd already judge him. They are biased towards students who they are certain will listen to their words without questioning them, that's what they want. And I know the struggle with having family issues and being judged as if I had all the time in the world to do homework. They just don't care about what you're going through. And even if you have a lot of time to do homework, it's ridiculous that you're forced to do it. The first years of your life are all about learning stuff you won't use, just because. Controlling the young and exploiting them. Using them as if they were objects. That's what every government does, since every government has schools.
And about forgetting the knowledge, true as well. They expect us to remember everything, are you serious? Do they really think we're going to simply dedicate 100% of our time to them? Schools seem to assume we are kids who are constantly bored due to the fact we have nothing to do, so they give us boring tasks. "There, go ahead, do it!". We are humans, not robots designed to only perform certain tasks. We feel boredom. We feel anger. We feel happiness. School just gets in our way and tells us to forget everything we love. "Do what we tell you to do, and don't question us! We are nice!", that's what they tell us. "You don't have anything else to do with your time, all you have to do is study, it's that simple". That's what they say.
We do not naturally need a government. A benevolent government is a good thing, but very far from happening. We will never have a perfect society, we just need to get as close as possible. And socialism sucks, no one against government propaganda can support it.
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Post by Monolophosaurus on Apr 8, 2016 0:16:19 GMT
We do not naturally need a government. A benevolent government is a good thing, but very far from happening. We will never have a perfect society, we just need to get as close as possible. And socialism sucks, no one against government propaganda can support it. Well again, I don't know much about government, but it is fun for me to try and have an opinion on it. Of all the realistic options, socialism is my favorite.
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Post by Theropod on Apr 8, 2016 0:28:34 GMT
Socialism is even worse than what we have now. It's simply the government controlling means of production and other stuff. The more controlling the government is, the worse it is for us.
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Post by joelho on Apr 9, 2016 19:56:10 GMT
Okay, a voluntarist society and without coercion is a little utopia (and I don't agree this affirmation). But a society where the government controll everything and everybody could be a moral and better society? The socialism is economicly impossible, the recourse alocation is ineficient, it causes hunge and misery. The North Korea and Venezuela are an exemple of socialism.
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Post by Theropod on Apr 9, 2016 23:20:01 GMT
Socialism is no better than capitalism, take a good look at Cuba, talk to people living there. See how much they enjoy it. Also, not extremely relevant, but won't do any harm if I put this here...
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Post by joelho on Apr 9, 2016 23:58:36 GMT
And this is capitalism:
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