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Post by themechabaryonyx789 on Jan 5, 2015 19:14:01 GMT
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Post by Suchomimus65 on Jan 5, 2015 19:55:44 GMT
Not all modern music is shit.
This is post-2006.
If you're talking about modern pop music, then yes. Most of it isn't very good. But what you don't seem to have mentioned yet is that a lot of music from the 70's, 80's, and 90's was also shit. The only reason you don't hear it is because it's been forgotten. Most of the music back then was terrible, and only the good stuff stuck around. That's what'll happen a decade or two from now: all the bad music will be forgotten, and all the good stuff, as little as there may be, will be remembered.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 9, 2015 18:35:47 GMT
This goes to show, you don't have to be good at music to be popular in it. What exactly makes you good at music?
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Post by Theropod on Jan 9, 2015 18:42:48 GMT
They're all the same, with differences being how technology affects their production, for example.
I honestly hate this little concept that either old or new music is better - what makes a song good or bad? How pleasing it sounds? That would create a hole in logic. It's just like arguing over what's better, ass or tits, just that the media thinks the latter is inappropriate.
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Post by es1001 on Jan 10, 2015 5:13:13 GMT
This goes to show, you don't have to be good at music to be popular in it. What exactly makes you good at music? If you know the concepts behind it, and can piece together different melodies and riffs on top of an interesting beat, and change these melodies / beats multiple times throughout a song making a diverse piece, then you are good at music. To be a good artist, you have to be able to write meaningful lyrics with a pattern, and sing in tune over the top of this music. And you also have to be able to excel in many different genres of music, and not make the same thing over and over again. In my opinion, that is what makes a good musician.
Some artists today are certainly great musicians, and I may or may not listen to them. But most fail. To be fair, I'd say around 75% of popular songs today succeed with the first criteria (good musical content) but nearly all songs fail miserably at the artist section. The lyrics are all the same, and popular artists will often make the same type of song over and over again and make millions of dollars. Also, nearly every song today has the same 4/4 drum beat.
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 10, 2015 19:22:01 GMT
As I said. That is a extremely broad generalisation. The reason there is a "I wish I grew up in the 70s and 80s" loser group of tumblr loving morons is because they only know the good music of the time. Its just that back then people like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, Queen, Michael Jackson, Bruce Springsteen etc were so unbelievably popular was because they literally dominated the global market. Now music is so much more diverse that everyone has access to past musicians which brings them back into the mainstream media and genres are a lot more varied with so many more sub genres. Completely new genres like techno and electronica music have entered the industry and Hip hop and rap and the advancement of marketing, consumer culture and ease to make music has drastically changed the medium of music faster than we can keep up. No artist has absolute dominance anymore but a far more diverse array of talent old and new takes the spot light.
We are using old ways of thinking to describe new things.
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 10, 2015 19:23:29 GMT
I don't even need to point out how ridiculous this is...
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Post by Theropod on Jan 11, 2015 5:25:05 GMT
I don't even need to point out how ridiculous this is... Then don't That's based off how people usually rate songs as good, based on how pleasing it is to them, despite it creating a hole in logic rather than easily rating quality.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 11, 2015 5:34:40 GMT
es1001Piecing different melodies over a beat happens much more often. Mind describing what an "interesting beat" is? If we're using opinions then you can't be wrong there, but otherwise, being factual, which is the most common aim of discussion on here, then "interesting" is going to be opinion-based, and not going to help in a factual discussion.Again, happens with a lot of songs, many of them still labelled as bad nonetheless.Ah, I see it's based on opinion. I'm gonna keep this reply anyway, since I'm admittedly an ass most of the time. On the rest of your post, I do agree that music nowadays seems to be too similar in the lyrics aspect, but nonetheless it can't be denied that many older songs are also very similar.
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Post by es1001 on Jan 11, 2015 6:04:02 GMT
es1001Piecing different melodies over a beat happens much more often. Mind describing what an "interesting beat" is? If we're using opinions then you can't be wrong there, but otherwise, being factual, which is the most common aim of discussion on here, then "interesting" is going to be opinion-based, and not going to help in a factual discussion.Again, happens with a lot of songs, many of them still labelled as bad nonetheless.Ah, I see it's based on opinion. I'm gonna keep this reply anyway, since I'm admittedly an ass most of the time. On the rest of your post, I do agree that music nowadays seems to be too similar in the lyrics aspect, but nonetheless it can't be denied that many older songs are also very similar. A good, interesting beat that sounds exciting can really be pretty much anything EXCEPT that stupid clubbing beat. You can simulate the beat I am talking about by saying this out loud; and boots and pants and boots and pants and boots and pants... That same beat (if you know what I am talking about, sorry for lack of actual audio but I couldn't find any ) is legit in nearly EVERY song today. I am struggling very hard to find a top hit from the last 5 years that has a different beat. Also to add to this, every song is in 4/4 timing, which I think is a bit bland. More diversity would be nice, but that's just an opinion of course.
Your second point is that good lyrics and diverse genres happen a lot. Firstly, I would argue that good lyrics are nearly non existent in today's popular music. Every song is about love, partying, or about problems like bullying. Every song. And the word 'Baby' is repeated in nearly every song I've heard the last 5 years. Also, today's songs are always the same genre. Pop and rap dominate the charts. Every artist makes the same type of song over and over because that's what sells. I don't believe any artist that is popular today has experimented with any more than 2 genres.
But you're right for sure. These things that I mentioned make good artists certainly still exist. I guess my real argument is that POPULAR music is terrible now, not music in general. You're not an ass btw, why would you say such a thing? You're awesome, this is actually really fun to debate about.
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Post by Theropod on Jan 11, 2015 6:56:06 GMT
es1001If we're going to try to have a factual discussion, his isn't helping.Well, I already said what my opinion on the matter is, so a factual discussion, again, isn't favoured by opinions.I wouldn't say so. Unoriginal does not equal bad, and if you think about it, popular songs nowadays aren't rarely good in the lyrics aspect.This does not apply to new music only at all.Is it just me, or this kind of thing happened a lot in other decades as well, even if with different words?I don't like those genres too much either, but it's what the majority like. Of course, however, doing something for the sake of earning money does not equate into the product of that desire not being of great quality.This can be easily proven wrong with no chance of refutation.I'll agree with an opinion that popular recent music is mostly not too good, but factually, that isn't too true either.Perhaps because I am taking a more opinion based discussion to this extent.
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Post by thesporerex on Jan 11, 2015 9:44:12 GMT
Actual good music is based on the quality of it. Well written lyrics, well played instruments(or computer beats whatever), well sung and other such things. Its not hard to see how people judge music as good or not its literally the same thing as how people judge the quality of video games, movies, tv shows and other forms of media.
Btw sandman what you say about popular music's lyrics aren't true. You are just looking at the bad lyrics everyone points fun at. See eminem for further conformation(Arguably the most popular "new age" star)
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Post by es1001 on Jan 11, 2015 13:52:45 GMT
Actual good music is based on the quality of it. Well written lyrics, well played instruments(or computer beats whatever), well sung and other such things. Its not hard to see how people judge music as good or not its literally the same thing as how people judge the quality of video games, movies, tv shows and other forms of media. Btw sandman what you say about popular music's lyrics aren't true. You are just looking at the bad lyrics everyone points fun at. See eminem for further conformation(Arguably the most popular "new age" star) Eminem has fantastic lyrics! And some artists today definitely do And they are good for that reason! But what I am talking about it repetitious nonsense that only rhymes when you say the word weird and singing about one subject only (often a bad subject)
Very repetitious, with very little diverse language. www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/taylorswift/shakeitoff.html
Probably the most repetitious song I've ever seen, and it was EXTREMELY popular over here in Aus. Very boring. And, although this is quite picky, this is clearly about sex which isn't appropriate for 6 year olds to be listening to and repeating imo. www.directlyrics.com/rihanna-birthday-cake-lyrics.html
Same thing as above, with slightly more lyrical variety which is nice. Shame the lyrics are so simple, could have been written better and made the song more enjoyable really :/ www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/rihanna/wherehaveyoubeen.html
Repetitious, with the exact same background beat for the WHOLE SONG. It never changes! Probably the best song I'm gonna mention though, for sure. www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/katyperry/roar.html
This is an example of a fantastic song! (Jk it repeats so much and is absolutely hilariously bad!)
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Post by Theropod on Sept 11, 2016 18:11:08 GMT
My opinion is music changed a lot. And all I gotta say is, 80s music is one of the most overrated things in history.
People need to realize that the 80s are not an artist/album/genre. It's a decade. During periods of time, we have trends. These trends determine what society considers cool (read as hot shit), you're a cool person if you like it. You need not be ashamed if you like what's hot at the moment. In the 80s, certain styles of music dominated the music industry. Most people think 80s = good, awesome Alphaville, New Order, and the talented Pet Shop Boys, also the great a-ha. But that's not the real deal. Those are the artists we remember. People say, oh the 80s, that's culture. I hear so many people say, "I wanna go back to the 80s when lyrics made sense". I hear people say that quite often, usually people I know personally say it as they don't speak english or they do but can't be arsed to try to understand the music they listen to, so because the instrumental for the song sounds good to them they just stupidly assume the lyrics are good too and there you go. People say music today is all about sex, drugs. Because "Summer Of '69" was not about sex. You may think I'm saying it because of the 69 and that it's a coincidence. It's not a coincidence. The song is about sex. It was just much more subliminal back then. "Songs today are repetitive, and they're just about stupid dances" (I was think of ah lelek lek on this). But tell me how many 80s songs also repeat the same thing over and over again and are just about dancing. A lot of them. So many disco songs are considered good, but someone nowadays makes a song about dancing and it's quickly labeled as mindless pop. People think they know music, but most of the time they don't. "Rap is all about drugs, killing people". Many songs like Beautiful, Changes, Dear Mama, Ghetto Gospel, Stan, Hailie's Song, Sing For The Moment, Mockingbird, Like Toy Soldiers and Keep Ya Head Up have a valuable message, good lyricism. More so than random 80s disco. I'm not under appreciating the artistic value of any music here, but people need to be more conscious about music, not just say some music is bad when they don't even know it, and say some music is good when they don't pay attention to what the lyrics say. Music expanded, and the way it is used nowadays changed, and it will keep expanding and changing. Quality will never be about the year it was released. It'll be about the individual song.
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Post by Theropod on Jun 28, 2017 21:29:57 GMT
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